Modern State of Game Releases

Doog Lord · 12-17-2021, 07:48 AM

Anyone else notice how the games being released nowadays seem to release broken and buggy? It seems like the developers aren't putting as much effort into bug testing and releasing games rushed. Examples of this is the recent GTA Trilogy, Battlefield 2042, Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallout 76. I was planning on preordering the GTA Trilogy but it ended up being broken. It really seems like preordering is a bad decision nowadays considering the games being released end up buggy and broken with microtransactions in everything. Thoughts?

Kane · 08:20 AM

Back when videogames were all physical copies (pre-steam etc), if a game was broken or buggy, all you had was an expensive disc.

Nowadays, dev teams have to make sure their game works on hundreds of different systems, often they'll have dedicated teams that look for these bugs and compatibility issues but they're typically limited (esp with deadlines). Ex: With Cyberpunk 2077 I had no issues whatsoever, but my friend with a different CPU had every bug you could think of.

But yeah, don't pre-order. Also, don't buy the GTA Trilogy, pretty sure it was intended for mobile and they figured they could get away with slapping it on PC and Console for extra $$$. Pirate that garbage.

Doog Lord · 12-17-2021, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane

Ex: With Cyberpunk 2077 I had no issues whatsoever, but my friend with a different CPU had every bug you could think of.

I don't think the hardware components of the system itself are the cause of game/program bugs.

Kane · 12-17-2021, 08:22 AM

Hardware components are often the cause of major issues in large games - especially GPUs and the abundance of them. Screen tearing, artifacts (flickering, dodgy textures, screwed up geometry etc).

Issues caused by bad code are common and often not related to hardware, but the biggest problem with Cyberpunk on release was hardware for most people. Their specs couldn't keep up (also lol poor PS4 people), so characters and cars etc would load in late causing pileups/flying/exploding vehicles, GPUs overheating and so on.

Bown · 12-17-2021, 08:41 AM

A lot of this is laziness, ineptitude, etc.

Cyberpunk was rushed out the door by the corporate fuckers who wanted it out for Christmas, but the development also sounds like a mess. There’s reports of things like a developer making a shader themselves if they needed one instead of checking if one already existed so you had all these people basically doing their own individual things with no coherence. That the game ended up being as good as it was despite that shows you how insanely good CDPR’s writing staff are.

GTA Trilogy Remaster just seems like they did an extremely lazy and shitty job and used AI upscaling for a bunch of it. I’ve played like half of III, which is fine, but what I’ve seen of San Andreas looks terrible

Plopilpy · 12-17-2021, 12:41 PM

3DMM is the best game

Lord Blazer · 12-17-2021, 04:19 PM

game dev has gotten expensive
prices have not gone up
shareholders demand growth

and so yeah you're just gonna see shittier games with more microtransactions and now they're roping in crypto and NFTs so yeah welcome to capitalism I guess

Nixon · 12-17-2021, 10:23 PM

if the patriarchy is not dismantled soon i am going to lose my shit more than i already have.

Old Rivers · 12-17-2021, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Plopilpy

3DMM is the best game

Bown · 12-17-2021, 10:44 PM

I’ve been playing Metro Exodus recently. That’s a real good game. No 3dmm, though

Onattienz · 12-20-2021, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Plopilpy

3DMM is the best game

Kane · 12-20-2021, 10:13 AM

3DMM is not a game, it's a way of life.

Onattienz · 12-20-2021, 10:14 AM

It's also a work of art.

French Fry · 12-20-2021, 09:02 PM

BF2042 was the single biggest disappointment for me this year. I thought they were basing their engine off of BF4, but its so unpolished.

PizzaLuigi · 12-21-2021, 01:09 AM

My favorite game this year was probably RE4 VR not a lotta games this year and the ones that did weren’t that good.

Bown · 12-21-2021, 01:44 AM

Returnal is my favourite 2021 game I think

Dungeon Snake · 12-21-2021, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PizzaLuigi

My favorite game this year was probably RE4 VR not a lotta games this year and the ones that did weren’t that good.

i really enjoy Chivalry 2. Other than that, yeah, wtf even came out this year? GTA3 Trilogy? Lol

Bown · 12-21-2021, 02:06 AM

Other faves:

Metroid Dread
Deathloop
The Forgotten City
Bowser’s Fury
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart

Dungeon Snake · 12-21-2021, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Blazer

game dev has gotten expensive
prices have not gone up
shareholders demand growth

and so yeah you're just gonna see shittier games with more microtransactions and now they're roping in crypto and NFTs so yeah welcome to capitalism I guess

Yeah, this is pretty much it. games are far more complex than they used to be, and its also now expected that most games will be cross-platform. game developers are stuck in a tough place because most gamers will not pay more than 50-70$ per game but the amount of man-hours that goes into development has vastly increased.

Lord Blazer · 12-21-2021, 02:48 AM

Most gamers won't even pay $50, they'll wait until Steam sales

12-17-2021, 07:48 AM	#1
Doog Lord Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 629	Modern State of Game Releases Anyone else notice how the games being released nowadays seem to release broken and buggy? It seems like the developers aren't putting as much effort into bug testing and releasing games rushed. Examples of this is the recent GTA Trilogy, Battlefield 2042, Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallout 76. I was planning on preordering the GTA Trilogy but it ended up being broken. It really seems like preordering is a bad decision nowadays considering the games being released end up buggy and broken with microtransactions in everything. Thoughts?
Doog Lord Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 629

12-17-2021, 07:56 AM	#2
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	Back when videogames were all physical copies (pre-steam etc), if a game was broken or buggy, all you had was an expensive disc. Nowadays, dev teams have to make sure their game works on hundreds of different systems, often they'll have dedicated teams that look for these bugs and compatibility issues but they're typically limited (esp with deadlines). Ex: With Cyberpunk 2077 I had no issues whatsoever, but my friend with a different CPU had every bug you could think of. But yeah, don't pre-order. Also, don't buy the GTA Trilogy, pretty sure it was intended for mobile and they figured they could get away with slapping it on PC and Console for extra $$$. Pirate that garbage.
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	Last edited by Kane : 12-17-2021 at 08:20 AM.

12-17-2021, 08:22 AM	#4
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	Hardware components are often the cause of major issues in large games - especially GPUs and the abundance of them. Screen tearing, artifacts (flickering, dodgy textures, screwed up geometry etc). Issues caused by bad code are common and often not related to hardware, but the biggest problem with Cyberpunk on release was hardware for most people. Their specs couldn't keep up (also lol poor PS4 people), so characters and cars etc would load in late causing pileups/flying/exploding vehicles, GPUs overheating and so on.
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096

12-17-2021, 08:41 AM	#5
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	A lot of this is laziness, ineptitude, etc. Cyberpunk was rushed out the door by the corporate fuckers who wanted it out for Christmas, but the development also sounds like a mess. There’s reports of things like a developer making a shader themselves if they needed one instead of checking if one already existed so you had all these people basically doing their own individual things with no coherence. That the game ended up being as good as it was despite that shows you how insanely good CDPR’s writing staff are. GTA Trilogy Remaster just seems like they did an extremely lazy and shitty job and used AI upscaling for a bunch of it. I’ve played like half of III, which is fine, but what I’ve seen of San Andreas looks terrible
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

12-17-2021, 12:41 PM	#6
Plopilpy Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 3,105	3DMM is the best game
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12-17-2021, 04:19 PM	#7
Lord Blazer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 16,879	game dev has gotten expensive prices have not gone up shareholders demand growth and so yeah you're just gonna see shittier games with more microtransactions and now they're roping in crypto and NFTs so yeah welcome to capitalism I guess

12-17-2021, 10:23 PM	#8
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293	if the patriarchy is not dismantled soon i am going to lose my shit more than i already have.
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12-17-2021, 10:44 PM	#10
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	I’ve been playing Metro Exodus recently. That’s a real good game. No 3dmm, though
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

12-20-2021, 10:13 AM	#12
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	3DMM is not a game, it's a way of life.
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096

12-20-2021, 10:14 AM	#13
Onattienz Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 277	It's also a work of art.
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12-20-2021, 09:02 PM	#14
French Fry Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,962	BF2042 was the single biggest disappointment for me this year. I thought they were basing their engine off of BF4, but its so unpolished.

12-21-2021, 01:09 AM	#15
PizzaLuigi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,144	My favorite game this year was probably RE4 VR not a lotta games this year and the ones that did weren’t that good.

12-21-2021, 01:44 AM	#16
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Returnal is my favourite 2021 game I think
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

12-21-2021, 02:06 AM	#18
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Other faves: Metroid Dread Deathloop The Forgotten City Bowser’s Fury Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

12-21-2021, 02:48 AM	#20
Lord Blazer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 16,879	Most gamers won't even pay $50, they'll wait until Steam sales