A serious plea to Space Goat....

The Chinese Jew · 02-03-2005, 07:19 PM

Goat, it's been a while since I've complained about the way the board's been run, but this time I really need to get your attention.

This is regarding Crazy Ivan and his abuse of mod powers. Now we've seen Lmac abuse his mod powers occasionally, but he doesn't over-do it the way Crazy Ivan does.

Pete, if u're reading this thread and are prepared to ban me again/close this thread, I've PM'd Goat to let him know that I'm creating this thread and that you're probably going to try to pull the same shit again. The fact that he unbanned me immediately after getting my PM shows he doesn't support your campaign.

Fact is...to be a mod, you need to be professional and need to try your best to keep your personal grudges to yourself. Crazy Ivan has been acting in the most unprofessional manner. Take this thread for example:

http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...n&pagenumber=2

He straight up admits it. "I'm closing your thread because I don't like you"....if that's not a serious abuse of power, I don't know what is. Where's the professionalism in that?

Then of course came this thread:

http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...threadid=61238

which many people thought was a joke, including Goro and Lmac. Apparently it wasn't, and I got banned. This is bullshit!

Mods are supposed to be making sure the board runs smoothly. Mods are not supposed to be making up new rules out of the blue due to personal grudges...and shouldn't Crazy Ivan have gotten permission from you to post that and seriously enforce it? If it was a joke, then no problem, but it wasn't. Not too long ago mods weren't even allowed to ban people.

Now they can just make up new rules like this as they damn please without your permission? Only the admin of the board should be able to make up new rules. Plus, when I had informed Goro that I was banned, Goro was shocked by it. Not only did he also think it was a joke, but also mentioned that Peter was supposed to file a report in the mod forum, which he failed to do.

Plus, this new rule he made is completely ridiculous and unwarranted. Not only is there the fact that I haven't made any threads in the admin contact for quite a while (besides the last one I got banned for), but he also picks on Sammy Sagitarius who did absolutely nothing wrong in the admin contact forum.

Peter is on a complete power trip and there's been absolutely nothing professional about the way he's been patrolling the board. And he's proven before what a fraud he is (ie: Bernatrick busting him for plagarism.)

I'd personally love to see Crazy Ivan stripped of his mod powers and see it given to a much more deserving person...maybe like Fred...or maybe even Orcus. The possibilities are endless.

But I'm sure u like Pete and had your reasons to mod him...I'd like to ask that you atleast give him a warning to stop abusing his powers otherwise he'd be de-modded, or atleast restrict what he can do...ie: simply don't let him ban people.

I'm aware many people like Pete and will flame me for this. I don't care. I had to get this out. And I don't give a shit what Rudi is gonna say about this, because his opinion on this matter will be completely biased due to his personal dislike for me.

That is all.

Thanks for reading.

Wildfire · 02-03-2005, 07:22 PM

Ivan bans people nobody likes. I have no problem with that. The list of people forbidden from posting in Admin Contact seemed a pretty good idea to me.

The Chinese Jew · 02-03-2005, 07:27 PM

It's a completely unfair rule he made, and mods don't have the right to make new rules like that out of the blue. They should be getting Space Goat's permission first.

As for the banning, you are not supposed to ban people if they did nothing wrong. It doesn't matter how much they are disliked...if they aren't doing anything wrong, they should not be banned. Simple as that.

Chris Killmore · 02-03-2005, 07:31 PM

Like Space Goat said a while ago, a person is not going to be banned simply by losing a popularity contest.

Demented Ferret · 02-03-2005, 07:34 PM

Jeff, Pete is crazy awesome fantastic.

You. Are not.

Chris Killmore · 02-03-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
Pete is crazy awesome fantastic.

Does that give him the right to treat people unfairly? Personally I have nothing against him, but...

Qaz · 02-03-2005, 07:42 PM

The rule was made, you broke the rule. You're lucky to be back so soon.

Demented Ferret · 02-03-2005, 07:44 PM

Chris, you're missing the point - Vic Rattlehead has been warned my members of the community, and I THINK including some mods. Also, I believe that Peters thread about the Admin Contact forum was VERY justified; I for one am sick of legitimate reasons falling down the thread listings because of some painfully stupid bickering between certain members, so I'm sure Peter would feel equally annoyed.

The fact comes down, Peter is one of the most mature, sensible and professional guys here, whilst still regaining the persona that we all love him for - and removing him from the authority he has would be a great loss for us all.

Demented Ferret · 02-03-2005, 07:46 PM

And as much as I love Orcus (ITS TRUE Y'KNOW), I don't know why he'd be second on your list to Fred; if its his moviemaking that is encouraging to you: heck, bring in Pozin, I'm sure he'll have fun being a mod.

Chris Killmore · 02-03-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
Chris, you're missing the point - Vic Rattlehead has been warned my members of the community, and I THINK including some mods.

Oh. I must not have been here at the time. It's just that I've only seen Vic on maybe twice.

Demented Ferret · 02-03-2005, 07:50 PM

The guy has been Perminantly banned TWICE I think...But somehow slipped through the bars? Anyway, completely justified in my eyes.

The Chinese Jew · 02-03-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
And as much as I love Orcus (ITS TRUE Y'KNOW), I don't know why he'd be second on your list to Fred

I think he'd be very fair. He's a very active guy on both off topic and 3dmm discussion. He cares a lot for both, he's extremely intelligent, mature, and I think he'd be a very fair and reasonable mod. I can't see him abusing his mod powers.

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
Peter is one of the most mature, sensible and professional guys here,

Yes, "I'm closing this thread because I don't like you, what you gonna do about it?"

is so professional! Is Pete intelligent? yes. Professional at being a mod? No.

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Originally posted by Qaz
The rule was made, you broke the rule. You're lucky to be back so soon.

A rule not made by Space goat.

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
Jeff, Pete is crazy awesome fantastic.

You. Are not.

K dude. where's the nomination form for the awards?

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Originally posted by Chris Killmore
Like Space Goat said a while ago, a person is not going to be banned simply by losing a popularity contest.

Exactly!

Demented Ferret · 02-03-2005, 08:07 PM

1. So is Aaron? So is Evil Ash? So is Dean? So is about 70% of the community. Them attributes can apply to anyone.

2. Thats the comical jist of things, I'm pretty sure Peter had some real reason but instead of summing it up like some sort of idiot played it off as if it was just a grudge of his. Its a comedic effect, and it works.

3. Everything but the post method is done. If you want to see it so far; just hit me up on AIM.

The Chinese Jew · 02-03-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
Thats the comical jist of things, I'm pretty sure Peter had some real reason but instead of summing it up like some sort of idiot played it off as if it was just a grudge of his. Its a comedic effect, and it works.

There was no reason to close that thread at all.

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Originally posted by Demented Ferret
1. So is Aaron? So is Evil Ash? So is Dean? So is about 70% of the community. Them attributes can apply to anyone.

True...And they'd all be good mods. Aaron I'm kinda iffy on, but Evil Ash and Dean....definitely.

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3. Everything but the post method is done. If you want to see it so far; just hit me up on AIM.

I don't have AIM, but please get it done as soon as possible, and let us know roughly when it'll be done rather than saying, "it'll be done SOON"

Flounder · 02-03-2005, 08:50 PM

Yessir, there was a time when this here board was pure. Yodelling in the winter...fresh young men shedding their shirts and taking a dip in the ol' water-hole in the summer. Times have changed. Nowadays, I take one look at this...this orgy of new-age horse-fuckery and it makes me so angry I want to hurl my son into a plate-glass window and punch my wife in the mouth.

Aaron Haynes · 02-03-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff Ching
Aaron I'm kinda iffy on, but Evil Ash and Dean....definitely.

I think I would be a good mod of the 3DMM-related forums, since those are mainly where I post and where people are comfortable with me. But Lmac or Goat will talk to me if they're interested, so I'm not going to stage a campaign or anything.

I don't approve of Pete's fucking around; he does it more often than anyone else, and it's usually in poorer taste than anyone else's. I think he's a fun guy and a rather unprofessional mod, but it doesn't really gnaw at my soul day and night or anything.

Chris Killmore · 02-03-2005, 10:16 PM

I agree; Aaron should moderate the 3DMM Discussion Board. Ferret should be a mod also.

Orcus · 02-03-2005, 10:22 PM

Jeff, I appreciate you saying I'd be a good mod but personally, as some people have pointed out, I've gotten aggressive almost randomly and to me I wouldn't want to hold the power to just start banning for no reason and close threads while getting the last say, etc. I don't think the community would want to see that kind of crap either. As levelheaded as I try to stay there are a few moments where I tend to take things too personally and the results might become kind of nasty.

Damage Jackal · 02-03-2005, 10:49 PM

I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA EXPLODE HERE!!

Jon Barton · 02-03-2005, 11:33 PM

I'm speaking realistically here: Pete sucks.

Melrose Let Down · 02-03-2005, 11:41 PM

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Lmac · 02-03-2005, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Aaron Haynes
I think I would be a good mod of the 3DMM-related forums, since those are mainly where I post and where people are comfortable with me.

I'd actually be all for that.

As for closing threads just because you hate someone, look at the amount of threads I close of Kyle's. I don't hate him that much, I just do it mainly for fun. And well, because they're usually rubbish.

Lord Blazer · 02-03-2005, 11:51 PM

Gorosaurus · 02-04-2005, 12:32 AM

Pete's great for doing things I don't really feel I'd have the proper backing to pull off. He just goes and does it, and that's great to have a lot of times.

However, I've gotta say that the distinction between joking and meaning something should be made clear to both moderators and members alike. I think that that's the main issue at hand here, it was just a misunderstanding

The Chinese Jew · 02-04-2005, 12:37 AM

What the fuck Melrose? I never said that!! Stop fucking quoting me and editting my comments you son of a bitch!!

ON a serious note, I don't take your opinion seirously....cuz like...you actually defended Pete over his plagarism.

edit: I went on my MSN and I'm glad to see that Tuna Hematama supports my cause. it's too bad he can't actually reply to the board though....

02-03-2005, 07:19 PM	#1
The Chinese Jew Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 14,225	A serious plea to Space Goat.... Goat, it's been a while since I've complained about the way the board's been run, but this time I really need to get your attention. This is regarding Crazy Ivan and his abuse of mod powers. Now we've seen Lmac abuse his mod powers occasionally, but he doesn't over-do it the way Crazy Ivan does. Pete, if u're reading this thread and are prepared to ban me again/close this thread, I've PM'd Goat to let him know that I'm creating this thread and that you're probably going to try to pull the same shit again. The fact that he unbanned me immediately after getting my PM shows he doesn't support your campaign. Fact is...to be a mod, you need to be professional and need to try your best to keep your personal grudges to yourself. Crazy Ivan has been acting in the most unprofessional manner. Take this thread for example: http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...n&pagenumber=2 He straight up admits it. "I'm closing your thread because I don't like you"....if that's not a serious abuse of power, I don't know what is. Where's the professionalism in that? Then of course came this thread: http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...threadid=61238 which many people thought was a joke, including Goro and Lmac. Apparently it wasn't, and I got banned. This is bullshit! Mods are supposed to be making sure the board runs smoothly. Mods are not supposed to be making up new rules out of the blue due to personal grudges...and shouldn't Crazy Ivan have gotten permission from you to post that and seriously enforce it? If it was a joke, then no problem, but it wasn't. Not too long ago mods weren't even allowed to ban people. Now they can just make up new rules like this as they damn please without your permission? Only the admin of the board should be able to make up new rules. Plus, when I had informed Goro that I was banned, Goro was shocked by it. Not only did he also think it was a joke, but also mentioned that Peter was supposed to file a report in the mod forum, which he failed to do. Plus, this new rule he made is completely ridiculous and unwarranted. Not only is there the fact that I haven't made any threads in the admin contact for quite a while (besides the last one I got banned for), but he also picks on Sammy Sagitarius who did absolutely nothing wrong in the admin contact forum. Peter is on a complete power trip and there's been absolutely nothing professional about the way he's been patrolling the board. And he's proven before what a fraud he is (ie: Bernatrick busting him for plagarism.) I'd personally love to see Crazy Ivan stripped of his mod powers and see it given to a much more deserving person...maybe like Fred...or maybe even Orcus. The possibilities are endless. But I'm sure u like Pete and had your reasons to mod him...I'd like to ask that you atleast give him a warning to stop abusing his powers otherwise he'd be de-modded, or atleast restrict what he can do...ie: simply don't let him ban people. I'm aware many people like Pete and will flame me for this. I don't care. I had to get this out. And I don't give a shit what Rudi is gonna say about this, because his opinion on this matter will be completely biased due to his personal dislike for me. That is all. Thanks for reading.

02-03-2005, 07:22 PM	#2
Wildfire Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,825	Ivan bans people nobody likes. I have no problem with that. The list of people forbidden from posting in Admin Contact seemed a pretty good idea to me.
Wildfire Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,825

02-03-2005, 07:42 PM	#7
Qaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,355	The rule was made, you broke the rule. You're lucky to be back so soon.
Qaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,355

02-03-2005, 08:50 PM	#15
Flounder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,510	Yessir, there was a time when this here board was pure. Yodelling in the winter...fresh young men shedding their shirts and taking a dip in the ol' water-hole in the summer. Times have changed. Nowadays, I take one look at this...this orgy of new-age horse-fuckery and it makes me so angry I want to hurl my son into a plate-glass window and punch my wife in the mouth.
Flounder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,510

02-03-2005, 10:22 PM	#18
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	Jeff, I appreciate you saying I'd be a good mod but personally, as some people have pointed out, I've gotten aggressive almost randomly and to me I wouldn't want to hold the power to just start banning for no reason and close threads while getting the last say, etc. I don't think the community would want to see that kind of crap either. As levelheaded as I try to stay there are a few moments where I tend to take things too personally and the results might become kind of nasty.
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146

02-03-2005, 07:27 PM	#3
The Chinese Jew Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 14,225	It's a completely unfair rule he made, and mods don't have the right to make new rules like that out of the blue. They should be getting Space Goat's permission first. As for the banning, you are not supposed to ban people if they did nothing wrong. It doesn't matter how much they are disliked...if they aren't doing anything wrong, they should not be banned. Simple as that.

02-03-2005, 07:31 PM	#4
Chris Killmore Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,374	Like Space Goat said a while ago, a person is not going to be banned simply by losing a popularity contest.

02-03-2005, 07:34 PM	#5
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	Jeff, Pete is crazy awesome fantastic. You. Are not.

02-03-2005, 07:44 PM	#8
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	Chris, you're missing the point - Vic Rattlehead has been warned my members of the community, and I THINK including some mods. Also, I believe that Peters thread about the Admin Contact forum was VERY justified; I for one am sick of legitimate reasons falling down the thread listings because of some painfully stupid bickering between certain members, so I'm sure Peter would feel equally annoyed. The fact comes down, Peter is one of the most mature, sensible and professional guys here, whilst still regaining the persona that we all love him for - and removing him from the authority he has would be a great loss for us all.

02-03-2005, 07:46 PM	#9
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	And as much as I love Orcus (ITS TRUE Y'KNOW), I don't know why he'd be second on your list to Fred; if its his moviemaking that is encouraging to you: heck, bring in Pozin, I'm sure he'll have fun being a mod.

02-03-2005, 07:50 PM	#11
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	The guy has been Perminantly banned TWICE I think...But somehow slipped through the bars? Anyway, completely justified in my eyes.

02-03-2005, 08:07 PM	#13
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	1. So is Aaron? So is Evil Ash? So is Dean? So is about 70% of the community. Them attributes can apply to anyone. 2. Thats the comical jist of things, I'm pretty sure Peter had some real reason but instead of summing it up like some sort of idiot played it off as if it was just a grudge of his. Its a comedic effect, and it works. 3. Everything but the post method is done. If you want to see it so far; just hit me up on AIM.

02-03-2005, 10:16 PM	#17
Chris Killmore Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,374	I agree; Aaron should moderate the 3DMM Discussion Board. Ferret should be a mod also.

02-03-2005, 10:49 PM	#19
Damage Jackal Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 18,523	I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA EXPLODE HERE!!

02-03-2005, 11:33 PM	#20
Jon Barton Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,103	I'm speaking realistically here: Pete sucks.

02-03-2005, 11:51 PM	#23
Lord Blazer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 16,879

02-04-2005, 12:32 AM	#24
Gorosaurus Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 16,146	Pete's great for doing things I don't really feel I'd have the proper backing to pull off. He just goes and does it, and that's great to have a lot of times. However, I've gotta say that the distinction between joking and meaning something should be made clear to both moderators and members alike. I think that that's the main issue at hand here, it was just a misunderstanding

02-04-2005, 12:37 AM	#25
The Chinese Jew Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 14,225	What the fuck Melrose? I never said that!! Stop fucking quoting me and editting my comments you son of a bitch!! ON a serious note, I don't take your opinion seirously....cuz like...you actually defended Pete over his plagarism. edit: I went on my MSN and I'm glad to see that Tuna Hematama supports my cause. it's too bad he can't actually reply to the board though....