2020 election

[Phil Williamson]

We've sort of got an idea of who the field will be at this point. Who do you guys like so far out of the declared/likely candidates?

I'm pretty conflicted. In an ideal world I'd pretty much just want whoever was furthest left on economic issues, probably Bernie or Tulsi Gabbard. But the Republican Party has been doing a great job over the years of telling people "hey, you know those things large majorities of you want, like more progressive taxation, universal healthcare, tighter regulation of the financial markets, (some) gun control measures, etc? Well, if you vote for them you're also voting for stuff like immigration amnesty, Black Lives Matter stuff, and transgender rights, which maaaybe 50% of you want."

And basically they're right. Partly this is just an inevitable result of the two-party system, but I also I think the Democrats have been shooting their ability to get anything done at all in the foot by also whole-heartedly embracing extremely contentious 50/50 issues. It's pushed away a huge number of "natural Democrats," and the result is that we have a hell of a time even getting the most popular of changes done.

So my inclination right now is to support a widely popular, middle-of-the-road type (ideally with the experience and connections to know how to get things done in Washington) like Biden. I do think it's a pretty legitimate concern that he'd be 82 by the end of his term though. Amy Klobuchar and Sherrod Brown seem good too, but I'm not optimistic that they'll get anywhere since they're pretty unknown.

[Old Rivers]

Haha I've never even heard of Amy Klobuchar.

[Ben Rice]

i heard somewhere dwayne johnson wants to run. be it a joke or not, he should be in the poll dammit.

[Phil Williamson]

Akon too!

[Bobby Swisha]

Should have done this multiple choice...

[Bobby Swisha]

For Phil: https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930065838387863552

[Shaun]

Where's radical centrist and Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz in this poll? Surely politically novice billionaires have a fair stake in US elections.

You can get a sense of which candidates will actually work to improve the lives of everyday Americans by how much the mainstream media smears them and calls them Putin Puppets. That means Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbord are the best choices to save America in 2020. Who I definitely don't want are the donor-approved neoliberals Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I guess they're better than four more years of What's-his-face.

My money's on Kamala to actually win in 2020. When I saw her campaign ad it was clear she's doing the Obama-thing and just running on platitudes without stating her hard policy positions. "Democracy... Justice... Equality! These aren't just words." (Yes they are, Kamala; coming from you, they are.) Plus she's black and a woman and so basically bulletproof.

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[Slime]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Akon too!

like half a year ago i was watching an interview with him about his water project in africa, he seems cool. i know none of his music

[Old Rivers]

"At first, I used to always tell myself that I would never do it," Akon said, referring to a run for president.

haha what a line. the phrasing is like a drug addict expressing regret over trying heroin for the first time.

[Phil Williamson]

Originally Posted by Bobby Swisha

For Phil: https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930065838387863552

lhhhh, I hadn't heard about this at all. I'm gonna assume/hope this is just him having, erm, old-school ideas about how to interact with children - the fact that he was the same way with a baby kinda gives me hope! - but yeah...not a great look

Originally Posted by Shaun

Where's radical centrist and Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz in this poll?

he can suck a fat dick. he'd probably move the White House to Oklahoma City

Originally Posted by Shaun

You can get a sense of which candidates will actually work to improve the lives of everyday Americans by how much the mainstream media smears them and calls them Putin Puppets. That means Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbord are the best choices to save America in 2020.

what do you mean by this? I've only ever heard Trump called a Putin puppet, not leftists

and yeah despite my reservations that I mentioned in my first post I wouldn't completely rule out Bernie or Tulsi being able to attract disillusioned ex-Democrats either, as long as they stick to economic stuff (which Bernie mostly did last time around, much to the annoyance of some liberal factions)

Originally Posted by Lohr

like half a year ago i was watching an interview with him about his water project in africa, he seems cool. i know none of his music

you've probably heard it. generic R&B on the radio somewhere where the dude sounds like he's nasally whining? probably Akon

so would you vote for Tulsi over Trump in the general election if that was the matchup?

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

haha what a line. the phrasing is like a drug addict expressing regret over trying heroin for the first time.

lhhhh

Karnester who is your "other" choice??

[Slime]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

so would you vote for Tulsi over Trump in the general election if that was the matchup?

would probably come down to the debates and anything that happens along the way for me to decide

[Adam Clough]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Plus she's black and a woman and so basically bulletproof.

[Adam Clough]

Honestly though, after the tampering against Sanders, voter roll purging, interstate crosscheck, the uncounted/ destroyed ballots, what reason is there to think that 2020 isn't going to be on lock-down for the Establishment with any questioning of the process being automatically attributed to Russia or China or whatever targeted country stands in the way of Western Hegemony?

The fact that people are even taking the Democratic Party seriously after what happened to Sanders is amazing to me.
I was a big supporter of Tulsi, and I still think she's genuine in a lot of ways, but that she hasn't just up and left the Democrats for the Greens makes me wonder is she's as owned by the party as Sanders is.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

what do you mean by this? I've only ever heard Trump called a Putin puppet, not leftists

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard

Here is NBC redbaiting Gabbard. Sorry- only the quotes from RT literally use the words Putin Puppet (satirically). But she's non-interventionist, and is mentioned by Russian news outlets and obscure online forums! Is this someone we can trust as president of the USA??? I don't think so.

[Dungeon Snake]

Originally Posted by Adam Clough

Honestly though, after the tampering against Sanders, voter roll purging, interstate crosscheck, the uncounted/ destroyed ballots, what reason is there to think that 2020 isn't going to be on lock-down for the Establishment with any questioning of the process being automatically attributed to Russia or China or whatever targeted country stands in the way of Western Hegemony?

The fact that people are even taking the Democratic Party seriously after what happened to Sanders is amazing to me.
I was a big supporter of Tulsi, and I still think she's genuine in a lot of ways, but that she hasn't just up and left the Democrats for the Greens makes me wonder is she's as owned by the party as Sanders is.

Yah, this. We're basically probably looking at Kamala Harris as the nom, at least that's what it looks like to me from where I'm standing now. And she will be Hillary 2.0 in every way... And easily hand Trump a 2nd term. Americans weren't willing to vote for Hillary the first 2 times.. you think they will now that she's black??

The Dem establishment will go for her because she's a perfect foil to Bernie - any criticism of her record, etc can be dismissed as racism/sexism and the same desperate shrill goblin-women who worshipped Hillary will flock to her. They'll scream down any opposition while simultaneously alienating most normal people and lefties, Neatly dividing the left and ensuring a trump victory

Biden has some #MeToo allegations that are waiting to pop... You heard it here first, folks I think the Republicans are just sitting on it, waiting to put it out there second he runs. They want revenge for kavanaugh. His campaign would most likely be DOA... Although who knows. Dems have been willing to conveniently overlook Bill's behavior for decades

[Compcat]

I don't really know anything about her, but I like Elizabeth Warren's style, very cold and serious which is what I want in my next president. I don't think she'll make any dramatic changes and I don't think she'll fuck anything up, but also I get the impression she will appropriately handle problems that might crop up.

Bernie is definitely more engaging, but I get the feeling he's recklessly idealistic and might fuck up our economy, and he's just too old.

[Old Rivers]

Originally Posted by Adam Clough

I was a big supporter of Tulsi, and I still think she's genuine in a lot of ways, but that she hasn't just up and left the Democrats for the Greens makes me wonder is she's as owned by the party as Sanders is.

Uh, I think the reason she doesn't join the Greens is because she doesn't want to completely and utterly throw away any chance of ever winning anything ever.

[Old Rivers]

Also I think the age issue with Sanders and Biden is kind of overstated. Does it really matter if an old dude is President? Worst case scenario... he dies. Okay, it's sad for a couple weeks - but then we get a shiny new president! Anyway, Presidents live to be ridiculously old these days. With the exception of Nixon (an alcoholic stress machine), its been over 40 years since a President died before reaching 90.

[Dave Miles]

Originally Posted by Dungeon Snake

Yah, this. We're basically probably looking at Kamala Harris as the nom, at least that's what it looks like to me from where I'm standing now. And she will be Hillary 2.0 in every way... And easily hand Trump a 2nd term. Americans weren't willing to vote for Hillary the first 2 times.. you think they will now that she's black??

The Dem establishment will go for her because she's a perfect foil to Bernie - any criticism of her record, etc can be dismissed as racism/sexism and the same desperate shrill goblin-women who worshipped Hillary will flock to her. They'll scream down any opposition while simultaneously alienating most normal people and lefties, Neatly dividing the left and ensuring a trump victory

Biden has some #MeToo allegations that are waiting to pop... You heard it here first, folks I think the Republicans are just sitting on it, waiting to put it out there second he runs. They want revenge for kavanaugh. His campaign would most likely be DOA... Although who knows. Dems have been willing to conveniently overlook Bill's behavior for decades

After watching Biden creeping on little children and kissing and touching them inappropriately on national t.v, i wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a literal child fucker

[Bobby Swisha]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard

Here is NBC redbaiting Gabbard. Sorry- only the quotes from RT literally use the words Putin Puppet (satirically). But she's non-interventionist, and is mentioned by Russian news outlets and obscure online forums! Is this someone we can trust as president of the USA??? I don't think so.

Where’s the lie though?

Aside from this she did also give Bashar al-Assad a bunch of free PR, and even visited him sympathetically during the war. Kind of odd behavior for a US politician to be sure.

[Slime]

and that's why she's based

[Adam Clough]

Originally Posted by Bobby Swisha

Where’s the lie though?

Aside from this she did also give Bashar al-Assad a bunch of free PR.

Actually she hasn’t done this at all. Which is one of the reasons I don’t trust her as Bashar is innocent. The media is just going ape-shit on her because it’s their job to lie about war and perpetuate myths like this.
Because she hasn’t left the Democrats, and because the issue of the primary rigging and the DNC leakers has never been confronted, then the only logical thing to assume is that she’ll be made to serve the same purpose as Sanders by sheep-dogging the Far-Left and bringing them back into the two-party paradigm.
With it ultimately boiling down to “shut up and vote for Kamala because Trump”.

We need people to start being blunt about this and make it clear that the US is an Oligarchy and not a Democracy. The outcome of who becomes President does not matter so long as this is the case.
It’s literally a farce.

[Bobby Swisha]

“hasn’t done this at all”

“At all”? So she didn’t even meet him?

[Adam Clough]

I meant to backspace the part after 'free PR'