HELTER SKELTER - BLACKS vs COPS

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Damage Jackal

In its own way isn't this the ultimate expression of the second amendment though? The populace are arming themselves and rising up against an authority they consider oppressive and illegitimate.

that's why the second amendment was created, yes

and all of the huffington post journalists should be patting themselves on the back for their endless devotion to promoting hate hoaxes over the years

same with hillary clinton and barack obama, who have been acting in collusion with these hate hoaxes to score political points

this is definitely what the 2nd amendment was made for. which is why people holding massive corporate power and capital should think about choosing their words wisely

[Bown]

Originally Posted by Jesterfoot

I think you've actually developed a Donald Trump alter ego

you know those cliches people say about how smoking weed totally fries your brain and makes you think all crazy etc? lohr is the token example of that person.

[Izak MD]

the establishment has been remarkably effective at turning its own boots on the ground into cannon fodder. and you can bet your ass, the murder rate, which has already taken a sharp turn upward in the last year, will continue to skyrocket in the coming years as cops become increasingly reluctant to serve a country that despises them

http://www.fredoneverything.net/CopNotes.shtml

Originally Posted by Fred Reed

The police are out of control all across the country. They can kick in your door at three al.m., shoot your dog, and handcuff your daughters, and you have no recourse. All of this happens with the explicit, intentional help of the federal government. There is nothing to be said for them, police or government.

That having been noted, it might be interesting to look at the world as seen by a normal cop from before the budding of the dictatorship.

To that end, let us suppose that you, the reader, are an average white cop in, say, Washington, DC. Let us further agree that you are not swatted-out, do not have ninja fantasies. You are not evil and do not want to hurt anyone. Evil cops exist, but you are not one of them. You are just a real cop in the real city—not the city as imagined by the humid orchids who write editorials at the New York Times.

How will the world seem to you, a new cop just out of the Academy?

First, you will quickly find that the public doesn’t like you. People do not like being told what to do. They particularly do not like being punished—e.g., given a ticker—for misbehavior. Successful people of middle age do not take well to orders from a kid of twenty. They have no choice.

Next, you discover that being a cop affects your social life. People are nervous around you even when you are not in uniform. When and where does your authority stop? They aren’t sure. You probably are not either. What if someone at a party lights up a joint? Your neighbor parks in front of a fire plug? Your off-duty life comes to consist mostly of other cops. It is more comfortable that way.

Just as the public doesn’t like you, you will not much like the public. Cops do not see humanity at its best. The young woman hiking her skirt up at traffic stops.
Couples screaming obscenities at each other on domestic-violence calls. “Why don’t you catch real criminals?” The lies. The excuses. The lame attempts at manipulation. The threats (“I know the mayor.”)

As a real cop on real streets, you learn never to smile, to maintain an implied aggressiveness. When riding with a reporter, you will joke and tell stories. With the public, you will learn to be wooden-faced and authoritarian. You can’t lose your dominance or you are useless.

A few months on the streets will take the bloom off your dewy rose of morn. You will see the baby’s brains on the windshield. You will see the paramedics at the crash scene working hard on the guy who went through the windshield, pumping his chest, trying to intubate him with red gunch pouring from his mouth and no hope at all. You will find a guy lying on the sidewalk with his brains swelling like pink lips from the groove made by a nine-millimeter round, still breathing but with nowhere to go.

After a few scenes like this, you will learn to turn off. It will cease to bother you because if it didn’t, you would go crazy. And then you will wonder whether there is something wrong with you.

You will learn things that you don’t want to learn. You learn that “immersion cuffs” are the sharp pink demarcations that occur when a ghetto mother, tired of her three-year-old’s crying, shoves her wrists into a pan of boiling water. Your colleagues will tell you of the young child found dead in a dumpster, thirty pounds underweight for her age, after her parents kept her bound and gagged in a closet, barely feeding her until she starved.

As a fresh new cop, you will see learn much. You may not know that a kid, burned to death in a fire caused because a slum lord ignored the fire code, looks pink like a baked ham and his guts explode with the expansion of intestinal gases.

As a reporter, I saw all of these things. Not similar things, but exactly these. They are not imaginary. They will change your attitude toward humanity. It won’t make you better company.

And nobody but another cop, or someone in the street trades—police, fire, ambulance--will understand. Your wife won’t, and this won’t improve the marriage. Divorce rates are high among cops.

With time, your views on police brutality will become ambivalent, or not ambivalent. You will see the pretty blonde rape victim, fifteen, about due for her first prom, screaming and screaming and screaming, sobbing and choking, while the med tech tries to get a sedative into her arm. And you will hear the cop next to you, hand clenching hard on his night stick, say in cold fury, “I hope the sonofabitch resists arrest.” Yeah, you may find yourself thinking, yeah. Social theories are nice. The streets are not theoretical.

And you will find that the perps are almost always black. If you are a good liberal, you won’t like this, but after three months on the street you will not have the faintest doubt. If you are a suburban conservative out of Reader’s Digest, you will be surprised at the starkness of the racial delineation.

All cops know this. They know better than to say it. This can be tricky for black cops, especially if former military who believe in law and order.

You will find that there are white cops who knock blacks around, who humiliate them. You will think it wrong, and so will many of your fellows, but you will decide not to turn them in. You have twenty more years on the streets with them. You will discover that black cops exist who also mistreat blacks, and this will confuse you.

You will find yourself contributing to bad race relations by enforcing laws you think stupid, pointless and unwise—hassling blacks for drinking a beer on the sidewalk with friends, rolling dice for quarters on the hood of a car, or smoking a joint. Never mind that a black city government made the laws.

Depending on your background when you, the reader, suddenly became a cop, you may or may not have some grasp of how guns work in the city. To begin with (if you think about it at all) you will realize that cops are not very competent with guns. In an entire career most will never fire their weapons on duty. To be good with a pistol requires hours and hours on the range and thousands of rounds. These cost money. Departments have higher priorities. Competent tactical shooting requires much more training. You won’t get it.

As a fresh cop, you will notice that the standard editorial notion, that cops are heavily armed brutes amid a helpless unarmed populations, isn’t quite accurate. When you are on the sidewalks of a bad neighborhood, where you know you are disliked by all and hated by many, you will become aware of your vulnerability. You have to pass close to people. Any of them could blow your head off from behind, stick an ice pick in your back, or brain you with a piece of rebar.

The second thing to know about the police and guns (though it sounds unrelated) is something you will hear often from your new colleagues: “I’m going home tonight.” This does not mean, “I’m going home instead of to the bar with buddies.” It means, “If some dirtball threatens my life, or credibly seems to be doing so, I will blow his sorry ass away before I’ll let my wife have to explain to the kids why Daddy is never coming home again.”

Ah, but how do you know when your life is in danger? Therein lies the rub. In a good department, you will get shoot-no-shoot training. It will surprise you. You stand in front of a very large screen, your weapon holstered. On the screen (for example) appears in video exactly what you would see responding to an armed-robbery call at a small store. A woman, the proprietor’s wife, frantically accosts you. "He robbed us! He has a gun! He went into the alley.” Gun in hand, you run down the alley, scared and breathing hard. A man with a gun turns the corner, gun in shooting position. You fire. You just killed the proprietor who also was chasing the perp with his own gun.

Back on the real street. A 250-pound guy crazy on PCP charges you with the clear intention of doing you harm. How much harm? He could kill you. It isn’t part of your job description to find out. You don’t have time in three seconds to try pepper-spray (which doesn’t work well on PCP heads anyway) or send for a Taser, or shout, “Halt in the name of the law, oh evil emissary of the forces of chaos!”

Bang. Maybe he was just going to give you a hug and a kiss.

Or you are in your new cruiser and get a robbery-in-progress call to a Seven-Eleven. You respond, that being what police are for. The perp—you will call them “perps” by now—runs down an alley and you follow him on foot, gun in hand. At least, if it isn’t in your hand, you are an idiot.

You are panting, pumped up on adrenaline, can’t see well in the dim light of the alley—and the perp turns with something black in his hand.

If you shoot, and the object turns out to be a cell phone, “White cop shoots unarmed teen.” If you don’t shoot, and it turns out to be a gun, your wife gets to explain why daddy isn’t’ coming back. Ever.

Cops understand this. Delicate Ivy flowers in the peat moss of the Washington Post do not.

Let’s drop the "You are a cop" narrative. Instead, let's try an experiment. In your living room, no adrenaline, no darkness, no danger, I will turn my back on you, holding in front of me in one hand a Day-Glo yellow plastuc banana and, in the other, a realistic plastic pistol. You, in calm, perfectly safe circumstances, will point a “pistol” at me. Your finger will do fine. I will turn as fast as I can with one or the other in my hand. You have to shoot or not.

You will find, no matter how many times we try the experiment, that I can turn and fire (if I turn with the gun) before you can decide whether I have a gun or a Day-Glo banana. Try it in a dark alley.

Nuff said.

[Dungeon Snake]

Originally Posted by Bown

you know those cliches people say about how smoking weed totally fries your brain and makes you think all crazy etc? lohr is the token example of that person.

you guys realize he's joking right

[Bown]

he's making a joke based on his actual feelings

[Izak MD]

and if one person is in touch with feelings, it's definitely bown

[Dungeon Snake]

Originally Posted by Izak MD

that's why the second amendment was created, yes

and all of the huffington post journalists should be patting themselves on the back for their endless devotion to promoting hate hoaxes over the years

same with hillary clinton and barack obama, who have been acting in collusion with these hate hoaxes to score political points

this is definitely what the 2nd amendment was made for. which is why people holding massive corporate power and capital should think about choosing their words wisely

it's an interesting question, but i'm inclined to fall on the side of izak & rudi.

great read izak, really explains a lot of the things i've been saying for years, and that i've been talking about with my cop friends for years. if you aren't active duty military or emergency services, you really don't get it.

[Cubert]

hmm. challenging article to the story i've gotten from facebook and the news. so if "stop those awful racist police" isn't the answer then, what is?

[Bown]

wait what's a hate hoax

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[Skittlebrau]

Originally Posted by Bown

wait what's a hate hoax

murders that aren't a big deal but liberals get all uppity about

[Izak MD]

what amount of violence would need to occur before you would consider it a full-blown attack on the country's authorities?

the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to ensure the possibility for the citizens to have political power. shooting cops in an act of partisan warfare is clearly a use of one's political power.

Originally Posted by Skittlebrau

murders that aren't a big deal but liberals get all uppity about

no, it's more when justifiable homicides are labeled 'murder' by uppity leftists (typically with moneyed interests and massive corporate influence), and pointlessly racialized

[Bobby Swisha]

Originally Posted by Bown

he's making a joke based on his actual feelings

hmm

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[Phil Williamson]

Originally Posted by Izak MD

no, it's more when justifiable homicides are labeled 'murder' by uppity leftists (typically with moneyed interests and massive corporate influence), and pointlessly racialized

I don't think this is a good definition at all. like I wouldn't call the Michael Brown situation a "hate hoax" even if we found out for certain that it was definitely a justifiable homicide. I think "hate hoax" more refers to situations where either nothing actually happened at all, or the supposed racist incident was actually perpetrated by anti-racists or pranksters trying to make a point.

a prominent recent example was when black tape was put over pictures of black Harvard professors in a law school building. it was all over the media, with both the media coverage and the administration basically taking it for granted that it was a genuine racist act of hate. but it soon became pretty clear that it was actually perpetrated by a black activist group. pretty much every high-profile racist incident on a college campus in recent years has turned out to be one of these hate hoaxes.

edit: apparently there's a whole website devoted to hate hoaxes. there are 200+ archived at http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/reports

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[Andres]

there is no statement dumb enough for izak not to make, is there?

[Dungeon Snake]

the thing is, izak & andres are flip sides of the same coin

[Bobby Swisha]

I hate Rush Limbaugh as much as the next guy but this is a great interview.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...he_war_on_cops

Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population. It turns out, Rush, that a police officer is 18-and-a-half times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is likely to be killed by a police officer.

[Bown]

damn that chick is in love with the police

[Damage Jackal]

Originally Posted by Dungeon Snake

the thing is, izak & andres are flip sides of the same coin

no. andres has never said anything this straight up insane:

Originally Posted by Izak MD

and all of the huffington post journalists should be patting themselves on the back for their endless devotion to promoting hate hoaxes over the years

same with hillary clinton and barack obama, who have been acting in collusion with these hate hoaxes to score political points

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Bown

damn that chick is in love with the police

^^ because when bown's house is being broken into, we all know that he just uses his bownly bown muscles to stop the perp

[Bown]

I can appreciate the value of a good police force without that much oral-givin

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

I don't think this is a good definition at all. like I wouldn't call the Michael Brown situation a "hate hoax" even if we found out for certain that it was definitely a justifiable homicide. I think "hate hoax" more refers to situations where either nothing actually happened at all, or the supposed racist incident was actually perpetrated by anti-racists or pranksters trying to make a point.

a prominent recent example was when black tape was put over pictures of black Harvard professors in a law school building. it was all over the media, with both the media coverage and the administration basically taking it for granted that it was a genuine racist act of hate. but it soon became pretty clear that it was actually perpetrated by a black activist group. pretty much every high-profile racist incident on a college campus in recent years has turned out to be one of these hate hoaxes.

edit: apparently there's a whole website devoted to hate hoaxes. there are 200+ archived at http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/reports

oh i'd totally call the mike brown thing a hoax, same with trayvon

or at least a form of modern mythology

i mean, you've got these media companies owned by international corporate conglomerates, deliberately making up nonsense and/or hiding pertinent facts in order to create a race narrative that will make people keep tuning into your company

like when it was the trayvon thing, they deliberately showed pictures of him about 5 years younger when there were plenty of available pictures of him in more recent times. and they showed pics of zimmerman that made him look like an out-of-work child molestor when there were other pictures that made him look more neutral. the narrative they crafted about race was also mostly imaginary. i saw a clip of a guy on CNN desperately trying to find evidence of zimmerman calling trayvon a "coon", replaying the audio like six times for everyone

when this alton serling guy was shot, the huffington post blatantly said that he was unarmed and just selling CDs. well, no, he was armed, he was reportedly flashing his piece around, and then he was reaching for his gun at the time he was shot. it's not like the reporters had any good reason not to put that information right at the top of the story. at the very least, they could have said "allegedly armed man shot by cops." that information was available to them at the very beginning because of the phone call that drew the cops to the scene in the first place. but they didn't. they put the imaginary narrative, the one that they had already concocted in their own brains as being the most marketable, right in the front-and-center, while completely ignoring the basic principle of occam's razor.

Originally Posted by Dildo Jacker

no. andres has never said anything this straight up insane:

http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/black-stu...te-crime-hoax/

hmm looks like hillary promoting a hate hoax to me

Originally Posted by A normally well-intentioned Christo

the thing is, izak & andres are flip sides of the same coin

and what coin might that be, si'l vous plait?