Scotland

[Red Scorpion]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1549712635260555

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29281819

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The nationalists' opportunity to rise ended with 44.7% of the vote.

Nah, the No voters got what they wanted and have caused problems already, and for what? The 45% won't tolerate it. A revolt will happen sooner or later, hopefully the No voters will wake up when things start going downhill and drop their Unionist bullshit too.

[Trooper]

What channel/TV show is that in the first link? I like how it calls the 55% "ill-informed", as though that's the only possible explanation for why someone would have voted Yes.

[Red Scorpion]

The 55% weren't ill-informed, they knew everything they needed to know - they were just scared of the risk, and scared of change. 'Project Fear' won. Now, it's just a waiting game, when changes happen (bad changes) the people will regret their decision, and we will all have to suffer through it til we get another chance.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/enough-is-enough/

[Kevitus]

Originally Posted by Andres

i don't think it's very plausible that the british government tried to fix a referendum that they agreed to have in the first place, and tried to fix it in such an obvious way that the fraud was already up on youtube less than 24 hours later. IMO

well they could have set it up to have it off the table once and for all
it's always the thing with fraud you could make it so obvious and people will still buy it if the media is not talking about it.

[Bobby Swisha]

I think Democracy in general is a pretty sketchy process. Like in America we got these voting machines that certain companies own that have stakes in different political parties. It's weird. Not to say anything of Democracies like Russia.

Speaking of which, Russia has called the vote out, although who knows how credible this is.

I'm not saying this vote in particular was rigged, but when a vote is close enough to be 50-50 (which I'm not saying this vote was) how does one really know wether there was any rigging or cheating going on? You'd never know.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Kevitus

well they could have set it up to have it off the table once and for all
it's always the thing with fraud you could make it so obvious and people will still buy it if the media is not talking about it.

no, kevitus, that is not what happened.

the referendum only existed because the british government did not genuinely think it would result in independence. they did not think it would result in independence because, according to the polls, support for independence was low, in the low thirties. this is because scotland is not an oppressed colonial nation, they've been voluntarily part of the UK for 300 years. support for scottish independence is not a majority position.

the independence campaign however was very successful. they had a very well-done political campaign, full of hope and optimism and puppies. everyone acknowledges this. the 'no' campaign on the other hand was terrible. it was depressing and negative. everyone also acknowledges this.

this resulted in the YES campaign polling better than expected. its numbers improved a lot, but YES only had a higher share than NO in two polls this year. the rest of the many polls taken had NO winning. so in fact the polls said NO would win.

there was also the feeling (which turned out to be correct) that because the YES campaign was so positive and because the status quo was not really all that bad, the people who were undecided would eventually vote for NO, and many people who were claiming they'd vote for YES were doing so out of peer pressure.

and so in the end NO won. and it was not a surprise that NO won, because scottish independence is not a majority position, and independence almost never polled higher than staying in the union, and the campaign was a fad.

[Damage Jackal]

Originally Posted by Bobby Swisha

I think Democracy in general is a pretty sketchy process. Like in America we got these voting machines that certain companies own that have stakes in different political parties. It's weird. Not to say anything of Democracies like Russia.

Speaking of which, Russia has called the vote out, although who knows how credible this is.

I'm not saying this vote in particular was rigged, but when a vote is close enough to be 50-50 (which I'm not saying this vote was) how does one really know wether there was any rigging or cheating going on? You'd never know.

i would say russia is a democracy in name only

[Ben Rice]

basically, scotland has short man syndrome

[Bobby Swisha]

Originally Posted by Damage Jackal

i would say russia is a democracy in name only

well, yeah. but what country isn't?

[Damage Jackal]

i would say a country voting against its own independence is an example of democracy at work

[Red Scorpion]

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...dem-chancellor

Woohoo...

[Phil Williamson]

you support the BNP anyway right Red? they're anti-independence you know

[Red Scorpion]

SNP

[Bown]

I love that the vast majority of the Yes campaign's money came from that dumbass couple who won the lottery.

[Red Scorpion]

Looks like we may be getting a revote after all, some has claimed it is postal votes but a lot of the postal votes weren't counted live, and there is plenty of proof of illegitimate processes, all of which should result in a revote.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10201496218046165

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scot...7796224114044/

[Bown]

There's definitely not going to be a revote.

[Red Scorpion]

You'd better hope there is, because as soon as this country starts going down the shitter because of the cancer of Westminister - there will be havoc. Think Ireland.

International law states that with any fraud or illegitimate processes, a revote must be taken. There is far too much evidence.

[Cubert]

yeah maybe elvis will show up to toss in his vote

[Red Scorpion]

Yeah, maybe he can go in and claim to be other people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...otes-cast.html

^ Impersonation alone is enough to call a revote.

[Cubert]

i don't wanna get into a whole thing because i've been hilariously under-informed about this whole referendum from the start but surely being in the daily mail loses that article a lot of credibility points

[Red Scorpion]

There's a video interview in the link, 10 counts of Impersonation, people have gone in to vote and apparently already done so. The police have taken the papers linked to it and are looking for prints etc.

[Phil Williamson]

lhh welcome to the level of controversy that happens after literally ever single election everywhere. this is just the first one you've ever paid attention to, I'm guessing.

[Bobby Swisha]

Originally Posted by Damage Jackal

i would say a country voting against its own independence is an example of democracy at work

haha, ok, that's a good point I guess

[Red Scorpion]

As expected.

[Phil Williamson]

I think it's hilarious that they let 16-18 year old kids vote, and how they voted (overwhelmingly for independence, the only group that did so). Thanks for being the guinea pigs on that one, now we know it's a terrible idea!