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Old 09-12-2014, 05:06 PM   #126
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kanye west is fucking terrible.


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Old 09-12-2014, 05:12 PM   #127
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a part of me wishes that kanye west was a nice guy with a great attitude whom everyone loved, just so that people would recognize that my dislike for him is 100% based on his music, not at all on his personality or flamboyance or whatever

he's just not very good. a lukewarm rapper.
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:23 PM   #128
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:55 PM   #129
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I just looked at some Kanye forum and about half the people there agree with this sentiment so it's clearly not just an isolated opinion I hold.
you're kidding aren't you? I've been on KanyeToThe a few times (embarrassing i know) and pretty much every person who posts in the kanye section worships MBDTF and acts like it is the best album of all time, they are all delusional fans who think everything he has ever done is without flaws.

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Old 09-12-2014, 08:59 PM   #131
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fair enough, fans on that site have definitely gotten worse throughout the years though, its pretty fucking embarrassing the shit that they usually come out with
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Old 09-12-2014, 10:30 PM   #132
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well yeah, cus MBDTF has drawn in shittier fans. why are you even a part of that board?


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Old 09-12-2014, 11:00 PM   #133
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I joined like a year ago when Yeezus was starting to leak
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Old 09-12-2014, 11:11 PM   #134
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well I saw that you said you joined for the indie/rock section after I made that post before you edited that out, fair enough I suppose.


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Old 09-13-2014, 05:57 AM   #135
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white people arguing about rap itt
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Old 09-13-2014, 07:58 AM   #136
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That is a two-year old thread where people are complaining about Watch the Throne and Cruel Summer, two collaborative and shitty albums. The most negative thing anyone says about MBDTF there is 'I didn't care for it', and Yeezus hadn't come out at the time.

Did you even read the thread?
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:17 AM   #137
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:20 AM   #138
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I'm not saying kanye intentionally made the album boring. I'm saying that the gimmicks employed to making the album have bigger appeal, such as hiring live classical musicians instead of sampling and personally producing the album, made it more boring FoR ME.

How is personally producing the album a gimmick? He's a producer for fuck's sake!

Do you basically just call anything you don't like a gimmick?
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:56 AM   #139
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:59 AM   #140
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I was saying he DIDNT personally produce the album, like his first one. although now that I think about it I'm not sure if that's actually true.

REGARDLESS:
http://www.discogs.com/Kanye-West-My...elease/2606952

you can see most of the songs on there have somebody co-producing it with him, or producing it for him. I don't have a problem with that per se since that's how MOST hip hop albums are, but I'm just saying, his first album, which he entirely produced by himself (one co-producer credit on the whole thing), was better in every way, to me. It was better artistically, it had a stronger message, and it felt more personal. It was also longer and contained more songs. It was more catchy.

Even Graduation, another album I would consider way better, has him fulfilling a seemingly bigger production role. Most tracks only have one co-producer. Whereas most tracks on MBDTF have like 3-5 producers/co-producers involved. I get that it was more musically complex, but it didn't particularly sound better to me. The production on it sounds a bit cluttered and like too many people are involved. Not on EVERY track, but in general. It just sounds like somebody trying way too hard. Like Michael Bay having a 50 million dollar budget for a movie, hiring the best people in the industry, and still coming up with something less than the sum of its parts.

The strengths on the first album were his rhymes and his beats. The strengths on Graduation were the really good, emotionally honest singles like Power, Can't Tell Me Nothing, Champion and Homecoming, as well as more fun songs like Good Life, Stronger, Barry Bonds and Drunk & Hot Girls. The strengths on 808s & Heartbeat was that he created a concept album with a new sound, great flow, successfully pulled off something different and unconventional, and used the album to address concepts of love and longing that I felt worked really well. Regardless of wether you agree, the message of 808s greatly personally resonated with me and my friends at the time that it came out.

The strengths of MBDTF were....what, exactly? the sound? the packaging? the music videos? the rhymes were bland, the beats were made by other people are sound over-produced, the message seems more vague..... So what's great about this album? Was it maybe something other than the music itself? Again, that's just my opinion. I don't expect you to agree with it.

I've listened to The College Dropout hundreds of times. I've listened to MBDTF 3-4 times. it's not an awful album. just horribly over-rated.



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Old 09-13-2014, 02:28 PM   #141
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how the fuck did a thread about our top ten movies turn into a ridiculous debate about kanye west, seriously what the hell is going on


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Old 09-13-2014, 02:41 PM   #142
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its yeezy season
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The strengths on Graduation were the really good, emotionally honest singles like Power
Power is on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
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Old 09-13-2014, 03:51 PM   #145
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how the fuck did a thread about our top ten movies turn into a ridiculous debate about kanye west, seriously what the hell is going on

Yeah someone split the thread for gods sake!
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Old 09-13-2014, 05:24 PM   #146
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Power is on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

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The strengths of MBDTF were....what, exactly? the sound? the packaging? the music videos? the rhymes were bland, the beats were made by other people are sound over-produced, the message seems more vague..... So what's great about this album? Was it maybe something other than the music itself? Again, that's just my opinion. I don't expect you to agree with it.

but like....the whole argument here is you being unable to comprehend that another person has a different opinion to you. why are you even keeping this up?
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:37 AM   #147
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:46 AM   #148
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The College Dropout isn't a bad album but almost every song has similar production, back then Kanye would have those sped-up female voices on everything he made. You can say you've listened to it 100 times or whatever but it would also be perfectly reasonable for someone to say 'I got tired of the production style after 5 songs'.
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:18 AM   #149
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:35 AM   #150
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Just gonna bring it back on topic now:

These are in no order, and are all movies I've watched a million times and never get sick of:

Reservoir Dogs - Probably my favourite. Also my favourite movie soundtrack. Can't think of a single bad acting performance in that film, and the story about the drugs/dogs/cops/bathroom is my favourite scene in a film.

Goodfellas - As soon as I finished watching this movie for the first time, I put it back on and watched it again. I've only done that with two other movies - Inglorious Basterds and Her. Joe Pesci is brilliant, another awesome soundtrack.

Inglorious Basterds - Damn, maybe this is my favourite. It's definitely the movie I've watched the most. Some awesome really small parts, Eli Roths part & August Diehls parts were great.
This scene is fantastic:

American Psycho - Only saw this for the first time a few weeks ago. Everything about that movie is fantastic, another great soundtrack. I guess a good sound track, not necessarily the score, is important for me to really love a film.

Anchorman - FUCK ALL OF YOU THIS MOVIE IS THE BEST. No other comedy has made me laugh as hard as this movie did the first time I saw it.

Wolf of Wall Street - Jonah Hill is one of my favourite comedic actors and he was a REVELATION in this. His performance made this movie one of my all time favourites. Again, really good music, great comedic timing, that Margot Robbie is stupidly hot and great to look at.

Contact - I loved how long this film is, not as true to the book as I would have liked but still very good. I love Jodie Foster, I love Gary Buseys part. Not a big Matthew McConaghey fan, and I found his character a little unbelievable but overall a film I've loved forever.

Monster - Mother of god, if there's one performance that truly deserved the oscar it got, it's this. I remember being halfway through that film and knowing full well that it was Charlize Theron but just not even being able to recognise her anymore. I pre-empted the film by watching a documentary about ‎Aileen Wuornos which made it even more impressive, watching her absolutely nail every aspect of that character. Another awesome scene to a great song:

Age of Innocence - Yeah I'm a massive Scorsese fan, and a big Daniel Day Lewis aficionado. Great period film, I also liked how long this movie was without really dragging. Sad ending. Not usually a big fan of this sort of film but I've watched it about 1000 times so whatever.

We need to talk about Kevin - Yeah, it got pretty bad reviews, but I loved that movie. Watched it straight after reading the book and liked how true to the story they kept it. Tilda Swinton is great, and they kid they chose for Kevin was just how I imagined him.

Others (I really cant chose ten, so heres my second lot of ten):
Casino
There Will Be Blood
This is Spinal Tap
Wild at Heart
Moon
Happiness
Baise Moi
Raging Bull
Boogie Nights
Magnolia
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