Breaking Bad - Page 15

Michael Jeffrey · 10-05-2013, 05:40 PM

I feel really bad for Lindelof after that interview he did after the BB finale.

Lost had a really fucked up conception and initial execution, shitloads of problems. They didn't have a chance to figure out what was in the hatch until they were writing season 2. Putting their foot down in season 3 and demanding an end date was unheard of at the time, the network usually decided how long you ran for and that was it. Only Lost had the power to demand such a thing, let alone receive it.

The execs behind BB seemed to learn that lesson, and allowed the writers to decide five seasons was it, no more. It went out at the top of it's game, because the people behind it were willing to see it go out on a high note, and be remembered as great, rather than drag things on for the sake of money. Lost was battling sequelitis while BB managed to avoid it for the most part.

Bah whatever, many people hate the Lost ending but I liked it.

Andres · 10-05-2013, 06:21 PM

the finale of LOST was fine. plenty of people liked it at the time. this notion that it's a widely disliked finale is preposterous.

Andres · 10-05-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Collins

The execs behind BB seemed to learn that lesson, and allowed the writers to decide five seasons was it, no more. It went out at the top of it's game, because the people behind it were willing to see it go out on a high note, and be remembered as great, rather than drag things on for the sake of money. Lost was battling sequelitis while BB managed to avoid it for the most part.

This isn't true. I'm pretty sure Vince Gilligan wanted one final season, but AMC decided to drag it out by splitting the season in two and having extra episodes.

This decision was made at a time when Breaking Bad had small audiences. It's only had great ratings this past season. There is no way AMC would have let Breaking Bad end if it was getting the audience it's gotten this season.

Pizza The Hut · 10-06-2013, 12:35 AM

which is probably why they're doing a call saul series

Orcus · 10-06-2013, 12:41 AM

I thought it was just one episode.

Michael Jeffrey · 10-06-2013, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andres

This isn't true. I'm pretty sure Vince Gilligan wanted one final season, but AMC decided to drag it out by splitting the season in two and having extra episodes.

I had actually heard the opposite!

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In early August 2011, negotiations began over a deal regarding the fifth and possible final season ... AMC proposed a shortened fifth season (six to eight episodes, instead of 13) to cut costs, but the producers declined.

No idea why they wanted to split it into two halves though.

Andres · 10-06-2013, 02:35 AM

splitting a final season of a show into two is an increasingly common "we don't want to get rid of our popular show" move (sopranos, battlestar galactica)

in the case of breaking bad, i imagine it's because AMC has had difficulties developing series after mad men-breaking bad-walking dead and they're dreading having two of those three gone (in fact, they've split mad men up too)

Qaz · 10-06-2013, 11:09 PM

Everyone I know didn't like the finale of Lost. Some maybe didn't hate it, but I don't really know anyone that would say they were happy with the way it ended. That's maybe more about the final season than just the final episode. I don't feel bad for Lindelof at all. He got to decide when the show ended and could have done a much better job. There's a whole 4 and half minute video about all the unanswered questions and plot holes in that show. It was bad writing. And like Orcus said the show just flew off the rails in the last few seasons and was amazing up until the end of season 3.

Breaking Bad did the opposite, the really had a tight ending. The whole final season (both of them) knew what it was doing to lead to an ending that pretty much everyone I know liked, and most really loved.

But that gif comparison is very interesting, seems almost intentional.

Bown · 10-06-2013, 11:55 PM

Yeah the final season as a whole is the weakest by far but the actual final episode I absolutely loved. People not liking it is mostly people being told second-hand who didn't understand and were like "oh so they WERE dead the whole time, that sucks" even though that's not what it was. Most of those unanswered questions were just random non-important bullshit, too

Jason Ruiz · 10-07-2013, 10:51 PM

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on one second.

The final season was the weakest? Like are you saying the second half of season five? Or season five in its entirety?

You mean when we, and fuck it, i'm so mad I aint even gonna do spoilers:

- Saw Walt buy an M60
- "Wait for what?" "For the cancer to come back."
- Saw Walt go into his now destroyed home to pick up a vile of ricin.
- Saw some dude named Todd murder a child.
- Saw Walt make a "confession" video
- Saw Walt get arrested by Hank
- Saw Hank get murdered.
- Saw Walt and Skyler wrestle on the ground with a knife
- AND WATCHED IT ALL PAY OFF?

Yeah you're right. WEAKEST SEASON EVER.

I'll fight everyone here!

Although, I will grant you some serious point dockage for this scene:

Orcus · 10-07-2013, 10:52 PM

I think he was talking about LOST.

Jason Ruiz · 10-07-2013, 10:59 PM

Argument WON.

Qaz · 10-07-2013, 11:02 PM

hahaha, I didn't realize Fester was talking about Breaking Bad till like the 3 point and I thought I missed a whole plot line revolving Walt buying a M60 in Lost. That would have made it so much better.

Happyjuice · 10-08-2013, 08:06 PM

Pizza The Hut · 10-08-2013, 08:38 PM

I LOVE that scene

John Coffee · 10-08-2013, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andres

this is perfect! i was going to re-watch it anyway and i'm trying brush up on my spanish.

Bobby Swisha · 10-13-2013, 07:19 PM

Saul Goodman sounds like "it's all good, man"

just realized that.

Compcat · 10-14-2013, 01:51 AM

haha, that's great. I never noticed that.

Dominator Dan · 01-07-2014, 09:22 PM

what a shit finale, i wanted a 20 minute epilogue of what became of huell.

Ben Rice · 01-07-2014, 09:24 PM

I dunno man, I was REASONABLY happy with it

Happyjuice · 01-08-2014, 12:45 PM

Cubert · 01-08-2014, 12:55 PM

the second to last episode is so emotionally draining though. not even vince gilligan could be that cruel.

Bown · 01-08-2014, 01:07 PM

They kinda wimped out at the very end but mostly that's because they were too attached to the characters most likely

Slime · 01-08-2014, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Happyjuice

I heard one theory that the 2nd to last episode was SUPPOSED to be the last episode. But they wanted to give the fans definite closure, so thats why the last episode is almost surreal, how he can get everywhere so easily, how the keys just fall into his lap, its almost too perfect almost like a dream. I dunno if there's any weight to that theory but its interesting.

yeah some people think the real story ended with him in the snow-covered car when the cops were coming, and from that point on is his fantasy, with the keys falling and everything working out. could be.
i personally didnt think this, but the possibility is there

Bown · 01-08-2014, 09:51 PM

Apparently Gilligan himself said it wasn't the case. Which is kind of a bummer because even though I don't believe it I like the interpretation

10-05-2013, 06:21 PM	#352
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	the finale of LOST was fine. plenty of people liked it at the time. this notion that it's a widely disliked finale is preposterous.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

10-06-2013, 12:41 AM	#355
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	I thought it was just one episode.
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146

10-06-2013, 02:35 AM	#357
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	splitting a final season of a show into two is an increasingly common "we don't want to get rid of our popular show" move (sopranos, battlestar galactica) in the case of breaking bad, i imagine it's because AMC has had difficulties developing series after mad men-breaking bad-walking dead and they're dreading having two of those three gone (in fact, they've split mad men up too)
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

10-06-2013, 11:09 PM	#358
Qaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,355	Everyone I know didn't like the finale of Lost. Some maybe didn't hate it, but I don't really know anyone that would say they were happy with the way it ended. That's maybe more about the final season than just the final episode. I don't feel bad for Lindelof at all. He got to decide when the show ended and could have done a much better job. There's a whole 4 and half minute video about all the unanswered questions and plot holes in that show. It was bad writing. And like Orcus said the show just flew off the rails in the last few seasons and was amazing up until the end of season 3. Breaking Bad did the opposite, the really had a tight ending. The whole final season (both of them) knew what it was doing to lead to an ending that pretty much everyone I know liked, and most really loved. But that gif comparison is very interesting, seems almost intentional.
Qaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,355

10-06-2013, 11:55 PM	#359
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,746	Yeah the final season as a whole is the weakest by far but the actual final episode I absolutely loved. People not liking it is mostly people being told second-hand who didn't understand and were like "oh so they WERE dead the whole time, that sucks" even though that's not what it was. Most of those unanswered questions were just random non-important bullshit, too
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,746

10-05-2013, 05:40 PM	#351
Michael Jeffrey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,580	I feel really bad for Lindelof after that interview he did after the BB finale. Lost had a really fucked up conception and initial execution, shitloads of problems. They didn't have a chance to figure out what was in the hatch until they were writing season 2. Putting their foot down in season 3 and demanding an end date was unheard of at the time, the network usually decided how long you ran for and that was it. Only Lost had the power to demand such a thing, let alone receive it. The execs behind BB seemed to learn that lesson, and allowed the writers to decide five seasons was it, no more. It went out at the top of it's game, because the people behind it were willing to see it go out on a high note, and be remembered as great, rather than drag things on for the sake of money. Lost was battling sequelitis while BB managed to avoid it for the most part. Bah whatever, many people hate the Lost ending but I liked it.

10-06-2013, 12:35 AM	#354
Pizza The Hut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,633	which is probably why they're doing a call saul series

10-07-2013, 10:51 PM	#360
Jason Ruiz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,975	Whoa whoa whoa, hold on one second. The final season was the weakest? Like are you saying the second half of season five? Or season five in its entirety? You mean when we, and fuck it, i'm so mad I aint even gonna do spoilers: - Saw Walt buy an M60 - "Wait for what?" "For the cancer to come back." - Saw Walt go into his now destroyed home to pick up a vile of ricin. - Saw some dude named Todd murder a child. - Saw Walt make a "confession" video - Saw Walt get arrested by Hank - Saw Hank get murdered. - Saw Walt and Skyler wrestle on the ground with a knife - AND WATCHED IT ALL PAY OFF? Yeah you're right. WEAKEST SEASON EVER. I'll fight everyone here! Although, I will grant you some serious point dockage for this scene:

10-07-2013, 10:52 PM	#361
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	I think he was talking about LOST.
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146

10-07-2013, 10:59 PM	#362
Jason Ruiz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,975	Argument WON.

10-07-2013, 11:02 PM	#363
Qaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,355	hahaha, I didn't realize Fester was talking about Breaking Bad till like the 3 point and I thought I missed a whole plot line revolving Walt buying a M60 in Lost. That would have made it so much better.
Qaz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,355

10-08-2013, 08:06 PM	#364
Happyjuice Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,573	-

10-08-2013, 08:38 PM	#365
Pizza The Hut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,633	I LOVE that scene

10-13-2013, 07:19 PM	#367
Bobby Swisha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 46,029	Saul Goodman sounds like "it's all good, man" just realized that.

10-14-2013, 01:51 AM	#368
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	haha, that's great. I never noticed that.
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810

01-07-2014, 09:22 PM	#369
Dominator Dan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 11,564	what a shit finale, i wanted a 20 minute epilogue of what became of huell.

01-07-2014, 09:24 PM	#370
Ben Rice Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,220	I dunno man, I was REASONABLY happy with it
Ben Rice Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,220

01-08-2014, 12:45 PM	#371
Happyjuice Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,573	-

01-08-2014, 12:55 PM	#372
Cubert Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,990	the second to last episode is so emotionally draining though. not even vince gilligan could be that cruel.
Cubert Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,990

01-08-2014, 01:07 PM	#373
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,746	They kinda wimped out at the very end but mostly that's because they were too attached to the characters most likely
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,746

01-08-2014, 09:51 PM	#375
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,746	Apparently Gilligan himself said it wasn't the case. Which is kind of a bummer because even though I don't believe it I like the interpretation
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,746

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