you should probably ban samurai clinton

Andres · 07-19-2012, 09:30 AM

you have someone in this forum with clear mental problems, allowed to be here so that others can alternatively berate him, insult him, or just laugh and say he is amazing. how is this any different, morally, from having a 'weird' friend in real-life that you constantly make fun of, for kicks, under the guise of inclusion?

not that this has ever not been an abusive, mean community, but we're abusive and mean to people that are essentially sane and whose ability to leave and react the way we'd all react is never in question.

and don't tell me we can just be nice. its been a few years and clearly we can't, and also, he's not our relative or something, it's not like we have to have him.

Phil Williamson · 07-19-2012, 09:55 AM

Is it wrong to have a friend like that if he is utterly incapable of ever at all comprehending it and in the meantime seems to be getting quite a lot out of the relationship? Debatable I guess, but I'd say no. People as autistic as Clinton aren't really ever going to have "normal" social interactions, and for him this may well be the closest possible thing. I think it's more likely to be beneficial to him than to be harmful. Autistic people need "socialization practice," and here he's among a group who he can interact with long-term and judge reactions from and adapt his behavior based on (to the extent that he's capable of) without us just getting weirded out by him and not hanging out with him any more, which presumably is what inevitably happens in real life.

Whether we should just get rid of him because he's annoying is of course another question. But I think most people like having him around. Other than some recent stuff which the mods are apparently addressing he tends to keep his posting in his own easily-ignored threads or in the 3dmm sections, which you don't post in anyway.

Tuna Hematoma · 07-19-2012, 10:27 AM

I think we should ban Carl!

Andres · 07-19-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Whether we should just get rid of him because he's annoying is of course another question. But I think most people like having him around. Other than some recent stuff which the mods are apparently addressing he tends to keep his posting in his own easily-ignored threads or in the 3dmm sections, which you don't post in anyway.

yes, it's established that people like having him around. to laugh at him. how the fuck is that a good thing. please don't even begin to try to pretend you are laughing with him, and not at him.

Phil Williamson · 07-19-2012, 10:58 AM

see: my first paragraph

Andres · 07-19-2012, 11:08 AM

i don't agree. you're essentially saying that because he can't get any better than being a member of a community that constantly laughs at him and berates him, that that's just peachy then.

i mean this is the same argument that people who bully the slow kid in their group use.

Ben Rice · 07-19-2012, 04:03 PM

its hardly socialisation practice if he is making no effort whatsoever to improve his own social skills. he doesn't give a shit, he just comes here to post about his fixations, he doesn't care how anyone feels about it. as much as i (and i'm sure other people here) want to actually get through to him and help him, if he's not willing to acknowledge our decreasing patience and tolerance of his behaviour then i think we need to be more firm with him. maybe even ban him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Is it wrong to have a friend like that if he is utterly incapable of ever at all comprehending it and in the meantime seems to be getting quite a lot out of the relationship? Debatable I guess, but I'd say no. People as autistic as Clinton aren't really ever going to have "normal" social interactions, and for him this may well be the closest possible thing. I think it's more likely to be beneficial to him than to be harmful. Autistic people need "socialization practice," and here he's among a group who he can interact with long-term and judge reactions from and adapt his behavior based on (to the extent that he's capable of) without us just getting weirded out by him and not hanging out with him any more, which presumably is what inevitably happens in real life.

but most of us ARE getting wierded out by him, resulting in some not wanting him here. maybe you're right that most people he knows have stopped hanging out with him and this is now the last place for him to socially interact with people. if what's happening are actually because of those circumstances than it's his problem, not ours. why does it feel that because noone else wants him, we have to look after him and keep him happy and contempt? because he's autistic? he's not our fucking responsibilty. if clinton wasn't autistic and still behaved like this he would have been banned from this place years ago, he's the only autistic member here who hasn't got his act together. no matter how severely autistic the guy is, if he can't even TRY to improve on his behaviour here than why are we still putting up with him? i mean for god sake the guy has no clue whatsoever to how much he is bothering people. i don't like this, i would prefer if clinton could just acknowledge what some of us are trying to say to him and make more effort for us (and for his sake) but it's seeming so pointless.

Bown · 07-19-2012, 04:21 PM

We are not Clinton Moore's brick wall.

Adelitas · 07-19-2012, 04:50 PM

Many people here have said he can't fix his problem, he can't improve and so on, so this will just be an ongoing problem that will eventually just get worse i.e him acting 10x worse or people finally getting fed up of him and going off on one. He is clearly a well known member here, maybe not for the best of reasons, but he seems to enjoy making his bad movies and advertising stuff.. Idk. He is a problem, I personally can't stand him but some of his conversations are alright.

Why not just trying deleting threads we know are utterly pointless? Slime etc, I mean, he has some good topics and conversations to spark up - which is always good here, as sometimes there isn't a lot going on, but some of the shit he posts is just cringeworthy. Removing his pointless threads and keeping the ones that mods think could turn into something a little worthwhile could be an idea? Instead of just banning him.

James McCloud · 07-19-2012, 05:32 PM

i dont really like him being here, but seeing as he doesnt really affect threads in any meaningful way its no bother for me to just put him on ignore

.... well at least before he started going apeshit with this larry craig horseshit.

the isolated forum is probably the best solution because then he can only influence threads of his own or threads made by those who are willing to indulge him.

Slime · 07-19-2012, 06:32 PM

i still wish banned users were isolated to a banned user forum that everyone else can also post in

Trooper · 07-19-2012, 07:16 PM

Yeah, I laughed when it was first suggested but in all seriousness, that would be really interesting - like Bedlam in the 18th Century.

Pirate Balloon · 07-19-2012, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Rice

its hardly socialisation practice if he is making no effort whatsoever to improve his own social skills. he doesn't give a shit, he just comes here to post about his fixations, he doesn't care how anyone feels about it. as much as i (and i'm sure other people here) want to actually get through to him and help him, if he's not willing to acknowledge our decreasing patience and tolerance of his behaviour then i think we need to be more firm with him. maybe even ban him.

but most of us ARE getting wierded out by him, resulting in some not wanting him here. maybe you're right that most people he knows have stopped hanging out with him and this is now the last place for him to socially interact with people. if what's happening are actually because of those circumstances than it's his problem, not ours. why does it feel that because noone else wants him, we have to look after him and keep him happy and contempt? because he's autistic? he's not our fucking responsibilty. if clinton wasn't autistic and still behaved like this he would have been banned from this place years ago, he's the only autistic member here who hasn't got his act together. no matter how severely autistic the guy is, if he can't even TRY to improve on his behaviour here than why are we still putting up with him? i mean for god sake the guy has no clue whatsoever to how much he is bothering people. i don't like this, i would prefer if clinton could just acknowledge what some of us are trying to say to him and make more effort for us (and for his sake) but it's seeming so pointless.

I agree with Andres but i think people are doing it unintentionally. Like Ben's post above. Getting frustrated with him because he "hasn't got his act together" makes me think that you and some others don't really understand his condition, nor is that good for him.

Or other people who "compliment" or "like" his videos or use his "catchphrases" are kinda implying he's a sort of character for our amusement. Ultimately its not sincere, so when you get bored of it you get frustrated with him and want him to go away. Or tell him to "get a grip". This is what you and Red are sort of implying.

The whole situation kinda makes me sad. All i really care about is derailed threads.

McJuicy · 07-19-2012, 09:47 PM

I like having clinton around, his threads are awesome and his responses are awesome. He stays in the testing forum for the most part. I say party on 3dmm.

Bobby Swisha · 07-19-2012, 10:25 PM

yeah. just ban him.

Evil Ash · 07-19-2012, 10:36 PM

People need to stop being assholes to the guy (impossible, I know). Everybody thinks they're some miracle psychologist that's going to cure him of his autism and correct his social behaviour.

I honestly don't see the problem with Clinton. Some posts, yes - but those should be addressed as they arise just like with any other user.

I don't understand why it's so fucking hard for people to smile and respond to Clinton (if they desire to - cause nobody has to) in a mature and responsible manner.

Seriously almost all of Clinton's threads just look like a bunch of fucking autistic children throwing chunks of insanity at each other, rather than an autistic young man expressing his fixations and perusing his interests and the people he sees as friends just being friendly.

I don't get how Clinton annoys people at all.

I honestly find a lot of other members way more irritating than Clinton.

I mean I see your point Andres, and I really have very little faith in this community to ever treat Clinton as he should be - so I get the banning. Like a responsible mother taking him out of a bad situation.

But really...it's sad that this is what it's come to.

I honestly thinking banning him would like... cripple him somehow. I don't know. He's already in to deep maybe.

I don't know... but the whole situation just pisses me off.

Andres · 07-19-2012, 10:42 PM

people can't smile and respond to clinton in a responsible manner because his posts are a barrage of inanity.

there's no way to engage him because he might as well be speaking an entirely different language than us.

there's no 'right' and easy option here. to insult him is offensive, to engage him is condescending, and to ignore him is cruel.

Adelitas · 07-19-2012, 11:38 PM

In all fairness, he has his parents looking after him, no doubt they are his carers, and they should have really kept an eye on him and acted a little more responsible - letting an autistic guy on forums like these, after being so weird that all of his friends treated him like shit? C'mon. Banning him won't cripple him, at most it'll give him a chance to find something else to obsess about - and then do so on other forums, if that's what he really wants to do.

Pizza The Hut · 07-19-2012, 11:59 PM

how would any parent know that these forums are bad without extensively looking into all the posts, it has the facade of being about a creative movie-making program

Adelitas · 07-20-2012, 12:15 AM

You can literally type any kind of swear word into the search bar and a hell of a lot of threads with vulgar comments will show up haha. Hell, you can probably look at some of the most recent threads to know how people are treated here. Any responsible parent can see that straight off, Samurai is what.. 24+ and his parents still stop him from seeing females and such? I'd think real life events would be better for someone with autism than a life on the internet.

Bown · 07-20-2012, 06:52 AM

I actually think we should keep Clinton unbanned because it's so funny to watch Red Scorpion struggle with trying to get it

Adelitas · 07-20-2012, 10:07 AM

Should probably ban you Bown, maybe then you'll actually go out and do something worthwhile, maybe people irl will like you!

Andres · 07-20-2012, 01:13 PM

hey, asshole, do you realize you're one of the people i'm criticizing on the opening post of this thread?

perhaps you've completely failed to understand things, so let me clarify it for you. this thread isn't a defense of people's behavior toward clinton, it's an indictment of it, and of the fact that we even have to have this conversation. the fact that clinton shouldn't really be here doesn't mean that, because he is, anything's fair game.

Adelitas · 07-20-2012, 03:12 PM

Read my first post you yellow prick.

Bown · 07-20-2012, 03:23 PM

Red Scorpion, how do you feel when you write a reply like that? Do you pat yourself on the back and think 'good job'? Are you aware that when any other member of this board reads them they just laugh at how bad you are at comebacks? I genuinely want to know.

07-19-2012, 09:30 AM	#1
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	you should probably ban samurai clinton you have someone in this forum with clear mental problems, allowed to be here so that others can alternatively berate him, insult him, or just laugh and say he is amazing. how is this any different, morally, from having a 'weird' friend in real-life that you constantly make fun of, for kicks, under the guise of inclusion? not that this has ever not been an abusive, mean community, but we're abusive and mean to people that are essentially sane and whose ability to leave and react the way we'd all react is never in question. and don't tell me we can just be nice. its been a few years and clearly we can't, and also, he's not our relative or something, it's not like we have to have him.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

07-19-2012, 11:08 AM	#6
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	i don't agree. you're essentially saying that because he can't get any better than being a member of a community that constantly laughs at him and berates him, that that's just peachy then. i mean this is the same argument that people who bully the slow kid in their group use.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

07-19-2012, 04:21 PM	#8
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	We are not Clinton Moore's brick wall.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

07-19-2012, 04:50 PM	#9
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500	Many people here have said he can't fix his problem, he can't improve and so on, so this will just be an ongoing problem that will eventually just get worse i.e him acting 10x worse or people finally getting fed up of him and going off on one. He is clearly a well known member here, maybe not for the best of reasons, but he seems to enjoy making his bad movies and advertising stuff.. Idk. He is a problem, I personally can't stand him but some of his conversations are alright. Why not just trying deleting threads we know are utterly pointless? Slime etc, I mean, he has some good topics and conversations to spark up - which is always good here, as sometimes there isn't a lot going on, but some of the shit he posts is just cringeworthy. Removing his pointless threads and keeping the ones that mods think could turn into something a little worthwhile could be an idea? Instead of just banning him.
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500

07-19-2012, 06:32 PM	#11
Slime Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 24,891	i still wish banned users were isolated to a banned user forum that everyone else can also post in
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07-19-2012, 09:55 AM	#2
Phil Williamson Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 16,900	Is it wrong to have a friend like that if he is utterly incapable of ever at all comprehending it and in the meantime seems to be getting quite a lot out of the relationship? Debatable I guess, but I'd say no. People as autistic as Clinton aren't really ever going to have "normal" social interactions, and for him this may well be the closest possible thing. I think it's more likely to be beneficial to him than to be harmful. Autistic people need "socialization practice," and here he's among a group who he can interact with long-term and judge reactions from and adapt his behavior based on (to the extent that he's capable of) without us just getting weirded out by him and not hanging out with him any more, which presumably is what inevitably happens in real life. Whether we should just get rid of him because he's annoying is of course another question. But I think most people like having him around. Other than some recent stuff which the mods are apparently addressing he tends to keep his posting in his own easily-ignored threads or in the 3dmm sections, which you don't post in anyway.

07-19-2012, 10:27 AM	#3
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	I think we should ban Carl!

07-19-2012, 10:58 AM	#5
Phil Williamson Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 16,900	see: my first paragraph

07-19-2012, 05:32 PM	#10
James McCloud Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,214	i dont really like him being here, but seeing as he doesnt really affect threads in any meaningful way its no bother for me to just put him on ignore .... well at least before he started going apeshit with this larry craig horseshit. the isolated forum is probably the best solution because then he can only influence threads of his own or threads made by those who are willing to indulge him.

07-19-2012, 07:16 PM	#12
Trooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,441	Yeah, I laughed when it was first suggested but in all seriousness, that would be really interesting - like Bedlam in the 18th Century.
Trooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,441

07-19-2012, 09:47 PM	#14
McJuicy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,786	I like having clinton around, his threads are awesome and his responses are awesome. He stays in the testing forum for the most part. I say party on 3dmm.
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07-19-2012, 10:25 PM	#15
Bobby Swisha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 46,012	yeah. just ban him.

07-19-2012, 10:36 PM	#16
Evil Ash Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,534	People need to stop being assholes to the guy (impossible, I know). Everybody thinks they're some miracle psychologist that's going to cure him of his autism and correct his social behaviour. I honestly don't see the problem with Clinton. Some posts, yes - but those should be addressed as they arise just like with any other user. I don't understand why it's so fucking hard for people to smile and respond to Clinton (if they desire to - cause nobody has to) in a mature and responsible manner. Seriously almost all of Clinton's threads just look like a bunch of fucking autistic children throwing chunks of insanity at each other, rather than an autistic young man expressing his fixations and perusing his interests and the people he sees as friends just being friendly. I don't get how Clinton annoys people at all. I honestly find a lot of other members way more irritating than Clinton. I mean I see your point Andres, and I really have very little faith in this community to ever treat Clinton as he should be - so I get the banning. Like a responsible mother taking him out of a bad situation. But really...it's sad that this is what it's come to. I honestly thinking banning him would like... cripple him somehow. I don't know. He's already in to deep maybe. I don't know... but the whole situation just pisses me off.
Evil Ash Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,534

07-19-2012, 10:42 PM	#17
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	people can't smile and respond to clinton in a responsible manner because his posts are a barrage of inanity. there's no way to engage him because he might as well be speaking an entirely different language than us. there's no 'right' and easy option here. to insult him is offensive, to engage him is condescending, and to ignore him is cruel.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

07-19-2012, 11:38 PM	#18
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500	In all fairness, he has his parents looking after him, no doubt they are his carers, and they should have really kept an eye on him and acted a little more responsible - letting an autistic guy on forums like these, after being so weird that all of his friends treated him like shit? C'mon. Banning him won't cripple him, at most it'll give him a chance to find something else to obsess about - and then do so on other forums, if that's what he really wants to do.
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500

07-19-2012, 11:59 PM	#19
Pizza The Hut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,633	how would any parent know that these forums are bad without extensively looking into all the posts, it has the facade of being about a creative movie-making program

07-20-2012, 12:15 AM	#20
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500	You can literally type any kind of swear word into the search bar and a hell of a lot of threads with vulgar comments will show up haha. Hell, you can probably look at some of the most recent threads to know how people are treated here. Any responsible parent can see that straight off, Samurai is what.. 24+ and his parents still stop him from seeing females and such? I'd think real life events would be better for someone with autism than a life on the internet.
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500

07-20-2012, 06:52 AM	#21
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	I actually think we should keep Clinton unbanned because it's so funny to watch Red Scorpion struggle with trying to get it
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07-20-2012, 10:07 AM	#22
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500	Should probably ban you Bown, maybe then you'll actually go out and do something worthwhile, maybe people irl will like you!
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07-20-2012, 01:13 PM	#23
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	hey, asshole, do you realize you're one of the people i'm criticizing on the opening post of this thread? perhaps you've completely failed to understand things, so let me clarify it for you. this thread isn't a defense of people's behavior toward clinton, it's an indictment of it, and of the fact that we even have to have this conversation. the fact that clinton shouldn't really be here doesn't mean that, because he is, anything's fair game.
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07-20-2012, 03:12 PM	#24
Adelitas Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,500	Read my first post you yellow prick.
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07-20-2012, 03:23 PM	#25
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Red Scorpion, how do you feel when you write a reply like that? Do you pat yourself on the back and think 'good job'? Are you aware that when any other member of this board reads them they just laugh at how bad you are at comebacks? I genuinely want to know.
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