Why I am voting for Bush.

[Fat Puppy]

When you fucking insult my beliefs and put words in my mouth, such as making it seem like I believe that humans are "meaningless," I believe I have the right to get pissed off.

You have no idea about anything concerning atheism.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
[b]Naw, why dont you actually look back at the original posts. There is actually no one answering any questions. It's just name calling along with stuff like



Do you realise that is not an argument of any kind? He's just saying that it's true, and calling me dumb for not believing it. But no one is putting forth any arguments except me.[b]

There is nothing to do with the likes of you except this. I have explained so much shit to you over the years and you've dismissed it so blatantly that you can't possibly expect me to keep trying, or to even so much as respect your existence.

You guys just tell me I am dumb for certain beliefs without ever opposing them. It's retarded. If someone actually wants to debate an issue, let me know.

You don't want to debate anything, shitface. Shut up.

[Melrose Let Down]

Originally posted by Andres De La Hoz


You are a piece of shit bastard, and I'm saying it right now. Look at what you're doing, honestly. Who buys this shit?

You NEVER listen to anything. I've posted millions of facts here over the years and all you do is post idiot analogies. You clearly are not interested in facts, so I can't argue with that. If we post facts, you say "this is not an essay contest, loser". So I do the next best thing: call you names, because you deserve to be called names, you idiot. So what do you do? Take the moral high road and call atheist arguments bad because we just call you names? You're subhuman scum of the worst kind.

Oh yea Andres? Is that what happened when we were successfully arguing morals for a minute, and then you said you didn't know the answer and started calling me names instead?

Yeah, you just get pissed and start name calling to seem like a bad ass.

I'd be more than happy to continue the discussion concerning morals, because I convinced I can prove you wrong. But you'd rather make up names.

[Melrose Let Down]

Originally posted by Fat Puppy
When you fucking insult my beliefs and put words in my mouth, such as making it seem like I believe that humans are "meaningless," I believe I have the right to get pissed off.

You have no idea about anything concerning atheism.

Dude... I dont know if you understand how debates work. Whether you like it or not, I WILL ACTUALLY SAY THINGS YOU DISAGREE WITH. Crazy concept eh? Well, at that point, what you do is try to refute what I said. See? That's called debating.

Sorry if I said things you don't believe, but thats the ENTIRE CONCEPT OF DEBATING.

I guess I just assumed you would understand how debates work.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Melrose Let Down


Oh yea Andres? Is that what happened when we were successfully arguing morals for a minute, and then you said you didn't know the answer and started calling me names instead?

Yeah, you just get pissed and start name calling to seem like a bad ass.

I'd be more than happy to continue the discussion concerning morals, because I convinced I can prove you wrong. But you'd rather make up names.

I don't have time for this nonsense, nor for shitfaces like you. You know, it's funny. The devout christians I know PERSONALLY are great people. It's here that I have to bump with you neanderthal scumbags.

Whatever, Melrose.

Christianity 1, Atheism 0. Enjoy heaven, loser.

[Melrose Let Down]

K, later Andres.

[Phil Williamson]

Jesus, you guys are fucking assholes. As a big Kerry supporter, I don't really think anything's wrong with Melrose's line of reasoning. It's true, abortion will have a higher chance of being illegalized if Bush is re-elected, mostly because of what Goro said about Supreme Court justices. If he really feels that abortion is the most important issue of this election, enough to base his vote solely upon (I certianly don't, but I respect the right of others to), then why the fuck shouldn't he? If someone said that they were voting for Kerry solely on the issue of getting out of Iraq cuz they had loved ones they were worrying about there, I don't think the forum Republicans would be jumping all over him and calling him a narrow-minded asshole for voting based on one issue. Granted, the war can be argued to be more significant than abortion, but that's personal opinion. If I felt that abortion was murder, I certainly would do all I could to ensure that it was illegalized.

And about the religion debate, I really don't think it's worth the time. Neither side will EVER be able to prove their side of the argument to the point where the other side accepts it.

[Fat Puppy]

Originally posted by Melrose Let Down



Dude... I dont know if you understand how debates work. Whether you like it or not, I WILL ACTUALLY SAY THINGS YOU DISAGREE WITH. Crazy concept eh? Well, at that point, what you do is try to refute what I said. See? That's called debating.

This isn't debate. Its arguing. I'm in debate. You putting words in my mouth would cause you to lose the debate.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Phil Williamson
Jesus, you guys are fucking assholes. As a big Kerry supporter, I don't really think anything's wrong with Melrose's line of reasoning. It's true, abortion will have a higher chance of being illegalized if Bush is re-elected, mostly because of what Goro said about Supreme Court justices. If he really feels that abortion is the most important issue of this election, enough to base his vote solely upon (I certianly don't, but I respect the right of others to), then why the fuck shouldn't he? If someone said that they were voting for Kerry solely on the issue of getting out of Iraq cuz they had loved ones they were worrying about there, I don't think the forum Republicans would be jumping all over them and calling them narrow-minded assholes for voting based on one issue. Granted, the war can be argued to be more significant than abortion, but that's personal opinion. If I felt that abortion was murder, I certainly would do all I could to ensure that it was illegalized.

Aw god.

[Red Venom]

This is prety much what melrose stands for.

Our Responsibilities by Charles Hosler

"""All American citizens have a civic responsibility to promote the common good. Individually, each voter is morally bound in conscience to choose government leaders who will best serve the common good, because the welfare of our communities and nation depends upon the persons elected and appointed to public office.

The first priority of the common good is the protection of human life, the basis of all other social institutions, including the safeguard of marriage and family. All other social issues (war, poverty, health, economic justice, immigration, etc.) are of secondary importance to human life, that is under systematic annihilation in America. This is simply a matter of reason. Consequently, there can never be justification for directly and deliberately taking human life through abortion, the destruction of human embryos, euthanasia, or human cloning. Therefore, there is no justification or rationalization to vote for any candidate who endorses, without restriction or limitation, the deliberate killing of the innocent, abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, euthanasia, human cloning, or same-sex marriage.

Today's radical liberalism in control of the Democratic Party has a contempt for all things religious, with a goal of annihilating religious _expression from the public square ( in violation of the First Amendment ". . . or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . "). In fact, today's Democratic Party seems to want a separation of the state from God and His authority, for the establishment of an atheistic state. Unfortunately, some Republicans agree, or at least, they are fearful of resisting this atheistic ideology. Our country's loss of the sense of God, particularly in politics, provides the basis for what Pope John Paul II calls "the culture of death", which can be equated to "the death of conscience". Any society that lives "as if God does not exist" will lack the spiritual and moral basis to protect human life.

On November 2, American voters have the power to reject the culture of death and reaffirm the culture of life at the ballot box. With God's grace, common sense, and our votes and prayers, we can return President Bush to the White House.""""""



Who the fuck really gives a shit, is this wrong? Its his choice, so be it.
From page 1 he has kept his cool, this is what he believes in. I respect that.
The rest of you go outside or something, instead of sitting on your ass argueing with this kid over the internet, holy shit.

EDIT: Im not even saying I agree, so dont put any fucking words in my mouth.

[Born Zealot]

This is what I read when I read every post in this thread.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!
Melrose is entitled to his own opinion, no matter how wrong we think he is.

[Melrose Let Down]

Originally posted by Fat Puppy


This isn't debate. Its arguing. I'm in debate. You putting words in my mouth would cause you to lose the debate.

My point was, in accordance with atheism, humans are no more important than a monkey. That is not a fallacy of debate. In a debate, you would need to prove to me why humans have a true meaning in life. But you can't. Nor will you attempt to. Because it's impossible.

[Ramza Brave]

Originally posted by Born Zealot
This is what I read when I read every post in this thread.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!
Melrose is entitled to his own opinion, no matter how wrong we think he is.

Let the adults talk, little boy.

[Andres]

... *sigh*

Look, anyone can believe whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that. But when you're ignoring other hugely important aspects of life simply to focus on some measly points, THERE'S A PROBLEM. Would you vote for someone simply because this person is against gay rights? Even if you absolutely hate gays, it's DUMB. You don't elect the President to prevent abortion, you elect him for much more. Melrose is focusing on silly issues (yeah, I called abortion silly. because it is). This is not good. It results in idiots like George W. Bush getting elected.

BTW, nice article. I love how Democrats just HATE GOD, right? That's GOTTA BE IT. Whoever wrote that article is an idiot trying to stir shit up.

[Phil Williamson]

While I think Melrose is justified in what he's said, Red Venom's post is just fucking retarded.

[Brix]

I should have said this sooner: This debate involves religion. Leave all logical thought at the door.

[Fat Puppy]

Originally posted by Red Venom
Today's radical liberalism in control of the Democratic Party has a contempt for all things religious, with a goal of annihilating religious _expression from the public square ( in violation of the First Amendment ". . . or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . "). In fact, today's Democratic Party seems to want a separation of the state from God and His authority, for the establishment of an atheistic state. Unfortunately, some Republicans agree, or at least, they are fearful of resisting this atheistic ideology.

Has this jackass read the Constitution?

Its "For the people," not "For the Christian majority." By forgetting the fact that there is a large proportion of our nation that is not Christian, or doesn't believe in any sort of higher power, we would be neglecting a portion of society. We crush these people's ability to pursue a personal path because the majority or the powerful (Read: Christian majority) of those people's community, the U.S., finds that path unacceptable. This is the very definition of tyranny.

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Andres De La Hoz
... *sigh*

Look, anyone can believe whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that. But when you're ignoring other hugely important aspects of life simply to focus on some measly points, THERE'S A PROBLEM. Would you vote for someone simply because this person is against gay rights? Even if you absolutely hate gays, it's DUMB. You don't elect the President to prevent abortion, you elect him for much more. Melrose is focusing on silly issues (yeah, I called abortion silly. because it is). This is not good. It results in idiots like George W. Bush getting elected.

BTW, nice article. I love how Democrats just HATE GOD, right? That's GOTTA BE IT. Whoever wrote that article is an idiot trying to stir shit up.

No offense Andres but people can vote for what ever fucking reason they want to plus he said that it wasn't the only reason.

[Melrose Let Down]

Dude, Phil. Read it again. That's not him saying all that. It's an article. He doesn't even agree with me. He just thinks I have a right to that belief.

[Born Zealot]

Originally posted by Ramza Brave


Let the adults talk, little boy.

I'm not denying that. Although I would like to think I'm smarter than most 17 year olds, I don't really have a great interest in politics, especially abortion. To me, it should hands down be legal, but I can see why someone would think otherwise.

[Ramza Brave]

Originally posted by Born Zealot
I'm not denying that. Although I would like to think I'm smarter than most 17 year olds, I don't really have a great interest in politics, especially abortion. To me, it should hands down be legal, but I can see why someone would think otherwise.

That's what debates are for.

[Fat Puppy]

Originally posted by Melrose Let Down


My point was, in accordance with atheism, humans are no more important than a monkey. That is not a fallacy of debate. In a debate, you would need to prove to me why humans have a true meaning in life. But you can't. Nor will you attempt to. Because it's impossible.

What the fuck? No, in accordance with atheism, you're pulling that out of your ass.

According to evolution, humans evolved from monkeys.

Atheism is not equivalent to evolution. If it was, then all Christians who accept evolution would, by your definition, be atheists.

All atheism means is that the person has no belief in any sort of God. Nothing more.

[Phil Williamson]

Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
Dude, Phil. Read it again. That's not him saying all that. It's an article. He doesn't even agree with me. He just thinks I have a right to that belief.

Yeah, by "Red Venom's post" I meant the letter, sorry.

[Born Zealot]

Originally posted by Ramza Brave



That's what debates are for.

This subject just seems like everyone is so dead set in their ways, that nothing anyone says is going to change their opinion. Especially since it's rooted in religion.

[Gavin Owers]

I think abortion is a great way of levelling out the human population, which has still rising in gigantic numbers around the world thanks to our need for pleasure. Do you want accidents and other worthless sponges consuming our depleting resources and taking up more space?
It might sound morbid but seriously, this is a very small world.
Download that World Wind program from NASA's site and you'll see how small Earth really is. It's also quite a fascinating program too.

http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/worldwind/features.html