Why I am voting for Bush.

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:01 PM

I have a feeling this is going to be a huge debate.

If I hated everything Bush stood for, except this one particular area, I would still have to vote for Bush. There is one thing that I think is far more important than how a president will effect my social status, or how much my taxes will be raised or lowered, or if I will have to go through a long application process to purchase a firearm, or if gay people can get married, etc.

To me, the issue of abortion, single handedly, outweighs all of that. I think it's murder. Some people don't, that's fine. But from my perspective, there have been over 50 million legal murders in the US. That's the holocaust, many times over.

The latest CNN poll showed that, for the first time in several years, more Americans are against abortion than those that are for it. I think if Bush gets back in, and we get some good dudes in the judicial branch, abortion can be overturned. In my opinion, that is the best thing that could possibly happen to this country.

But many people are more concerned about how the new president will affect their small businesses and finances. If you believe abortion is murder, I don' see how you could vote for Kerry, unless you are more concerned with finances than you are dying children.

And I'm sure someone will say, "Well there are lots of soldiers dying at war because of Bush." That's fine, I dont have a problem with that statment... but the numbers are no where close. 50 million compared to... whatever the death toll in Iraq is now.

On top of that, Kerry wants me to pay for other peoples abortions. I'm not paying to help murder a child.

EDIT: THIS HAS TURNED INTO A DEBATE OVER JOHN KERRYS POLITICS CONCERNING DEABTE, SO TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME, HERE ARE MY THOUGHTS:

Ok, how about this Kerry quote, from some NARAL Pro-Choice conference:

"I think that tonight we have to make it clear that we are not going to turn back the clock. There is no overturning of Roe v. Wade... There is no outlawing of a procedure necessary to save a woman's life or health and there are no more cutbacks on population control efforts around the world. We need to take on this President and all of the forces of intolerance on this issue. We need to honestly and confidently and candidly take this issue out to the country and we need to speak up and be proud of what we stand for."

Population Control? That's pretty extreme.

From the Boston Herald on January 23, 2001: "I will not back away from my conviction that international family planning programs are in America's best interests. We should resist pressures in this country for heavy-handed Washington mandates that ignore basic choices that should belong to free people around the globe."

Basic choices that should belong to free people around the globe?

I can tell you exactly what kerry believes, in short...

Abortion sholdn't be a primary option, and should be used as little as possible, HOWEVER, he feels it is the right of every American to make that choice whenever the time comes. So he thinks it's bad, but he thinks everyone can still get one if they want. The result is the same as someone who is pro-abortion.

There is really no arguing that this is his standpoint. He has made it very clear many times. He tries gain the favor of both sides by saying that he thinks it should be a last resort (attempt to gain pro-life favor) but everyone should be able to make the choice for themself (attempt to gain pro-choice favor). His personal standpoint on the issue becomes irreleveant if he doesn't legislate it... Which he will not do.

It's no different than being pro-choice.

Zaquis · 10-31-2004, 11:10 PM

Bush is actually not against abortion, per se. I mean, he's against it, but he says it SHOULD be legal in cases of rape, incest, etc.

That's pretty much what I think, as well. If you're just using it because you were too stupid to use protection or whatever, fucking deal with it like a man. If you're man enough to have casual sex, be man enough to suffer the consequences.

Will Coban · 10-31-2004, 11:13 PM

I don't care about abortions as much as Melrose.

I'm voting Kerry, plain and simple

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:14 PM

Aren't you like 13?

Damage Jackal · 10-31-2004, 11:22 PM

Dude, that's fucked. You really despise abortion that much? What if the girl had been raped by her father or uncle? What if the baby was gonna to be a serious detriment to her quality of life? Say that she'll be kicked out of home?

I just don't understand how people can not support abortion.

Zaquis · 10-31-2004, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Damage Jackal
What if the baby was gonna to be a serious detriment to her quality of life?

That one right there is pretty selfish, you gotta admit man. You can't play god and deny someone else life just because YOU don't feel like it. I mean really, we humans are not the one to make decisions like that. It kinda freaks me out how we're meddling with DNA and such, we're digging into things humans weren't meant to mess with.

Bloppin · 10-31-2004, 11:25 PM

If I was American, I'd vote for the one who isn't Bush.

Andres · 10-31-2004, 11:26 PM

I knew you'd write some stupid shit like that, Melrose. I didn't even read the whole thing, all I had to read was abortion to dismiss this as the rants of an idiot. Seriously, THIS IS THE FUCKING RUNNING OF A COUNTRY we're talking about, and you're going to decide it because of abortion? Get real. Do you even read this nonsense? You basically wrote "more people care about THE ECONOMY" as if it was a bad thing.

Zaquis · 10-31-2004, 11:27 PM

SHADDUP, "NEWBIE"

Orcus · 10-31-2004, 11:27 PM

Sorry dude but economy and other shit >>> abortion.

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:27 PM

It's different in the case of Rape. But I just said... I believe its MURDER. I don't care if it's a detriment to her lifestyle. She should be able to murder someone just so she doesn't have to change her little carefree lifestyle? In most cases, abortion takes place because some dumb ass slut teenager slept with some dude... no protection, and now, instead of facing the consequences, she's just gonna kill it. Even if you don't believe it's murder, it still teaches irresponsibility. In my case, I belive it's both.

Andres · 10-31-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
It's different in the case of Rape. But I just said... I believe its MURDER. I don't care if it's a detriment to her lifestyle. She should be able to murder someone just so she doesn't have to change her little carefree lifestyle? In most cases, abortion takes place because some dumb ass slut teenager slept with some dude... no protection, and now, instead of facing the consequences, she's just gonna kill it. Even if you don't believe it's murder, it still teaches irresponsibility. In my case, I belive it's both.

It's a cluster of cells, wussy. Go hug a tree and shut the hell up.

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:28 PM

You were a cluster of cells once too.

The Chinese Jew · 10-31-2004, 11:29 PM

I remember talking to one girl...in the Canadian election she voted for Steven Harper who's a conservative. What was her one reason for it?

"He's against gay people, so I support him"

I was like, "Whaaaaat???"

That's the only fuckin reason?

Yeah. I really think Melrose should try to look at more than that one issue. Plus Melrose, here's a scenario:

A girl gets raped, and becomes pregnant with the rapist's baby. Like any normal person, she doesn't wanna have a fuckin child of a fuckin rapist. In this scenario, are you still against abortion?

Damage Jackal · 10-31-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Zach Dobbels
That one right there is pretty selfish, you gotta admit man.

So fucking what? Isn't the point of living being fucking selfish?
You can't play god and deny someone else life just because YOU don't feel like it.[/quote][/b]But you also have to look out for yourself, man. You can't just wreck your own life because of some outdated moral belief.

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Originally posted by Zach Dobbels
I mean really, we humans are not the one to make decisions like that.

Also, we CAN make the decisions which affect our own lives. If you're old enough to be pregnant, you're old enough to make adult decisions. And if we don't, who the fuck will? Another human, man.

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by The Chinese Jew

Yeah. I really think Melrose should try to look at more than that one issue. Plus Melrose, here's a scenario:

A girl gets raped, and becomes pregnant with the rapist's baby. Like any normal person, she doesn't wanna have a fuckin child of a fuckin rapist. In this scenario, are you still against abortion?

I already addressed the rape issue. And I have watched every debate, and read all the issues. I agree with Bush on many points. However, John erry been anti-abortion and Bush pro-abortion, it would change my vote.

Fat Puppy · 10-31-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
You were a cluster of cells once too.

So was Hitler.

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by Damage Jackal
************So fucking what? Isn't the point of living being fucking selfish?
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Wow. If we keep going in the same direction, in 30-40 years, everyone will think like that, and the world will be a horrible place.

Damage Jackal · 10-31-2004, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
In most cases, abortion takes place because some dumb ass slut teenager slept with some dude... no protection, and now, instead of facing the consequences, she's just gonna kill it. Even if you don't believe it's murder, it still teaches irresponsibility. In my case, I belive it's both.

NO, RETARD.
Do you know a single person who's been subjected to an abortion? Any at all? Hint: Most don't get more than one. In extreme cases, there probably are women who basically use abortion as a contraceptive, buit i guarantee they are few and far between. Abortion is a painful (emotionally and physically) experience for women. They aren't keen for it to happen again.

Melrose Let Down · 10-31-2004, 11:37 PM

Yes, in fact, I know someone who was supposed to be aborted.

He's a great guy.

Zaquis · 10-31-2004, 11:38 PM

But you're NOT old enough to be pregnant, and the person probably is NOT old enough to be making those decisions. I mean really dude, most abortions happen because stupid teenagers were fucking around, and like Melrose says, it teaches to live irresponsibly.

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you also have to look out for yourself, man.

Then DON'T FUCKING DO IT TO BEGIN WITH. It's YOUR fault, goddammit.

Zaquis · 10-31-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by Fat Puppy

So was Hitler.

So was Einstein.

Fat Puppy · 10-31-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
In most cases, abortion takes place because some dumb ass slut teenager slept with some dude... no protection, and now, instead of facing the consequences, she's just gonna kill it. Even if you don't believe it's murder, it still teaches irresponsibility. In my case, I belive it's both.

Yeah, and Republicans love only teaching abstinence and calling it "Sex Ed."

We need someone who will actually bring about true sexual education, so people don't get put in the position of having to choose about abortion.

If people, such as those in poverty stricken areas, were actually taught about condoms and birth control properly, we would decrease the need for abortions. Its simple as that.

Aaron Haynes · 10-31-2004, 11:39 PM

Abortion laws need to be reformed or at least safeguarded against worst-case-scenarios like dumb sluts using it as an easy way out of taking responsibility for their actions (if, in fact, that actually happens as often as you seem to be implying). But unfortunately, in a nation where the institution of marriage has lost all meaning and perceived "sanctity" with the double-whammy of retarded celebrities and shallow jackasses getting it done as a fucking joke and the ridiculously high divorce rate, the frequency of and reasoning for abortions is more of a sign of the country's moral decline than anything else. It's for these reasons, too, that I laugh at anyone claiming that gay marriage somehow dilutes the meaning of the term.

On top of all this, as everyone else has said, there's a lot more going on in the world right now than abortions. I can understand it being a key issue, but the only issue worth considering? Give me a break.

Damage Jackal · 10-31-2004, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by Melrose Let Down
Wow. If we keep going in the same direction, in 30-40 years, everyone will think like that, and the world will be a horrible place.

Address my real point, you piece of shit.

10-31-2004, 11:01 PM	#1
Melrose Let Down Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,566	Why I am voting for Bush. I have a feeling this is going to be a huge debate. If I hated everything Bush stood for, except this one particular area, I would still have to vote for Bush. There is one thing that I think is far more important than how a president will effect my social status, or how much my taxes will be raised or lowered, or if I will have to go through a long application process to purchase a firearm, or if gay people can get married, etc. To me, the issue of abortion, single handedly, outweighs all of that. I think it's murder. Some people don't, that's fine. But from my perspective, there have been over 50 million legal murders in the US. That's the holocaust, many times over. The latest CNN poll showed that, for the first time in several years, more Americans are against abortion than those that are for it. I think if Bush gets back in, and we get some good dudes in the judicial branch, abortion can be overturned. In my opinion, that is the best thing that could possibly happen to this country. But many people are more concerned about how the new president will affect their small businesses and finances. If you believe abortion is murder, I don' see how you could vote for Kerry, unless you are more concerned with finances than you are dying children. And I'm sure someone will say, "Well there are lots of soldiers dying at war because of Bush." That's fine, I dont have a problem with that statment... but the numbers are no where close. 50 million compared to... whatever the death toll in Iraq is now. On top of that, Kerry wants me to pay for other peoples abortions. I'm not paying to help murder a child. EDIT: THIS HAS TURNED INTO A DEBATE OVER JOHN KERRYS POLITICS CONCERNING DEABTE, SO TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME, HERE ARE MY THOUGHTS: Ok, how about this Kerry quote, from some NARAL Pro-Choice conference: "I think that tonight we have to make it clear that we are not going to turn back the clock. There is no overturning of Roe v. Wade... There is no outlawing of a procedure necessary to save a woman's life or health and there are no more cutbacks on population control efforts around the world. We need to take on this President and all of the forces of intolerance on this issue. We need to honestly and confidently and candidly take this issue out to the country and we need to speak up and be proud of what we stand for." Population Control? That's pretty extreme. From the Boston Herald on January 23, 2001: "I will not back away from my conviction that international family planning programs are in America's best interests. We should resist pressures in this country for heavy-handed Washington mandates that ignore basic choices that should belong to free people around the globe." Basic choices that should belong to free people around the globe? I can tell you exactly what kerry believes, in short... Abortion sholdn't be a primary option, and should be used as little as possible, HOWEVER, he feels it is the right of every American to make that choice whenever the time comes. So he thinks it's bad, but he thinks everyone can still get one if they want. The result is the same as someone who is pro-abortion. There is really no arguing that this is his standpoint. He has made it very clear many times. He tries gain the favor of both sides by saying that he thinks it should be a last resort (attempt to gain pro-life favor) but everyone should be able to make the choice for themself (attempt to gain pro-choice favor). His personal standpoint on the issue becomes irreleveant if he doesn't legislate it... Which he will not do. It's no different than being pro-choice.

10-31-2004, 11:10 PM	#2
Zaquis Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 15,583	Bush is actually not against abortion, per se. I mean, he's against it, but he says it SHOULD be legal in cases of rape, incest, etc. That's pretty much what I think, as well. If you're just using it because you were too stupid to use protection or whatever, fucking deal with it like a man. If you're man enough to have casual sex, be man enough to suffer the consequences.
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10-31-2004, 11:13 PM	#3
Will Coban Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 330	I don't care about abortions as much as Melrose. I'm voting Kerry, plain and simple
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10-31-2004, 11:25 PM	#7
Bloppin Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 180	If I was American, I'd vote for the one who isn't Bush.
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10-31-2004, 11:26 PM	#8
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	I knew you'd write some stupid shit like that, Melrose. I didn't even read the whole thing, all I had to read was abortion to dismiss this as the rants of an idiot. Seriously, THIS IS THE FUCKING RUNNING OF A COUNTRY we're talking about, and you're going to decide it because of abortion? Get real. Do you even read this nonsense? You basically wrote "more people care about THE ECONOMY" as if it was a bad thing.
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10-31-2004, 11:14 PM	#4
Melrose Let Down Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,566	Aren't you like 13?

10-31-2004, 11:22 PM	#5
Damage Jackal Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 18,523	Dude, that's fucked. You really despise abortion that much? What if the girl had been raped by her father or uncle? What if the baby was gonna to be a serious detriment to her quality of life? Say that she'll be kicked out of home? I just don't understand how people can not support abortion.

10-31-2004, 11:27 PM	#9
Zaquis Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 15,583	SHADDUP, "NEWBIE"
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10-31-2004, 11:27 PM	#10
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	Sorry dude but economy and other shit >>> abortion.
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10-31-2004, 11:28 PM	#13
Melrose Let Down Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,566	You were a cluster of cells once too.

10-31-2004, 11:29 PM	#14
The Chinese Jew Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 14,225	I remember talking to one girl...in the Canadian election she voted for Steven Harper who's a conservative. What was her one reason for it? "He's against gay people, so I support him" I was like, "Whaaaaat???" That's the only fuckin reason? Yeah. I really think Melrose should try to look at more than that one issue. Plus Melrose, here's a scenario: A girl gets raped, and becomes pregnant with the rapist's baby. Like any normal person, she doesn't wanna have a fuckin child of a fuckin rapist. In this scenario, are you still against abortion?

10-31-2004, 11:37 PM	#20
Melrose Let Down Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,566	Yes, in fact, I know someone who was supposed to be aborted. He's a great guy.

10-31-2004, 11:39 PM	#24
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Abortion laws need to be reformed or at least safeguarded against worst-case-scenarios like dumb sluts using it as an easy way out of taking responsibility for their actions (if, in fact, that actually happens as often as you seem to be implying). But unfortunately, in a nation where the institution of marriage has lost all meaning and perceived "sanctity" with the double-whammy of retarded celebrities and shallow jackasses getting it done as a fucking joke and the ridiculously high divorce rate, the frequency of and reasoning for abortions is more of a sign of the country's moral decline than anything else. It's for these reasons, too, that I laugh at anyone claiming that gay marriage somehow dilutes the meaning of the term. On top of all this, as everyone else has said, there's a lot more going on in the world right now than abortions. I can understand it being a key issue, but the only issue worth considering? Give me a break.