The "Farenheit 9/11" Megathread

Sammy Sagitarius · 06-25-2004, 11:33 AM

So, I saw it today [friday morning], and here's what I thought:

So, I was extremely tired going on, by my own fault, so i'm not claiming I was all perky and awaiting anxiously. Here's what the movie did: Made my jaw drop, made me glad i'm a democrat, made me cry twice, made me question several moore tactics.

This movie is great. It just IS. Realistically, anyone who doesn't like it, is a Moore-basher in the first place. First of all, Michael Moore NARRATES this film. His onscreen time is almost moot. He does a few "Awful Truth" styled gimmicks. Those are fine and dandy. I'll admit I didn't care for the Ask-The-Senator-For-Their-Kids or the Ice-Cream-Truck-Patriot-Act... I liked his point, but the highlights of this film were when Bush was being quoted, and shown to be the total ass he is. The stuff he says... "We'll get terrorists. Watch this swing." - "The haves, and the have mores. You're the elite, you're my base."

The fact that all of that bullshit went on and nobody ever questioned it. The opening of the film, with the black men and women trying desperately to prevent the horrible treachery that has been the Bush Administration but with no Signatures... it was desperate. The mother of the army kid, the letter, especially her visit to Washington.

This movie a) relied on music. b) stated only what it needed to to prove a point. c) did what EVERY documentary does, and was definately slanted.

I see no fault with this film. It was humurous, but not nearly as humurous as some of his previous work. It was dramatic, but not melodramatic. And frankly, the way he covered 9/11's attacks - RAMZA - was extremely mature. Anyone what watches it would agree he did NOT exploit it and did not try to capitalize on the attacks in any way. He simply told some truths that I'm glad people will hear.

How many Republicans know the long history between the Bin Ladens, the Saudi Government, and the Bush dynasty? I mean, if your best friend's girlfriend steals your gold watch, you AREN'T going to get reliable results if your friend is doing the investigating. It just doesn't happen. That's a lot like what happened with our government.

Who pays the Bush's more... America or Saudi Oil Leaders? Not America. So what matters most to the Bush family? NOT AMERICA.

Yeah, he does a great job of giving his sources, with exception to VERY NOTICABLE minor points... (the guy who said "i've HEARD it's around 7% of America") I mean, there was no proof of some of his numbers. But the thing is, the videos speak for themselves. Whenever Buch is speaking, it's CROPPED, but not trick-edited. He DID say those things, all we lose is the context. But, frankly, most of his lines - fuck the context. There is NO context where those comments are appropriate.

And as far as the complaint about the final clip of Bush... what's wrong with that? He had no idea what he meant, and he came off like a dumbass. Sure, it's a low blow, but can anyone deny he did it to himself? It was him talking, not Michael Moore.

I loved it. EVERYONE, especially those who support Bush, should SEE this film. People who attack something without understanding it... They're the reason this country ISN'T the best in the world.

They're the POINT of the title.

Farenheit 451 -- the government controls the info by burning the books.

Farenheit 9/11 -- the government calls you unpatriotic and unworthy when you exercise your PATRIOTIC DUTY to question the way you're being required to live.

One of the best lines? "Only the foreign press covered the story." That's right, America wasn't allowed to be honest.

Frankly, people who support Bush just don't make sense. They aren't free thinkers. They aren't being logical.

It's not about Republican and Democrat - it's about Bush being the worst president in our lifetime.

And, Travis, your mom is stupid. Clinton was an AMAZING PRESIDENT, just an immoral man. When it comes down to the job, the thing we elected him to do, he did it very well. It's America's own fault for CARING about where his dick was that anything ever happened.

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So, yeah, I stopped reviewing and started harping a bit. Let's argue.

Kunio · 06-25-2004, 11:54 AM

Here's LiquorHead's review! And it's "LOL BUSH IS DUMB" or "MOORE IS FAT" free! AMAZING!

Sammy Sagitarius · 06-25-2004, 12:03 PM

Wow, I like that LiquorHead review. Sounds like the one and only impartial review this film will ever get.

Ramza Brave · 06-25-2004, 08:28 PM

Michael Moore is a fat idiot.

Fat Puppy · 06-25-2004, 08:29 PM

Good work stringing two "insults" together, Ramza. Next time, lets not be retarded and back up what we say, shall we?

Andres · 06-25-2004, 08:29 PM

No shit.

Damien Jasper · 06-25-2004, 08:31 PM

Look, I don't adore the idea of going at it with Ramza again, but is that the ONLY thing people have on Moore, is that he's obese? So's Dick Cheney. So what, just because Moore is fat that suddenly means that it's okay for Bush to spend 42% of his time golfing instead of running the country? Good hell.

Jimmah · 06-25-2004, 08:33 PM

Yeah but he is fat.

And fat people can't write books or make films.

Oooh but that "Michael Moore hates America" film looks pretty interesting, cus it doesn't seem to be from a Republican stance but an actual person who's not a complete twat's stance.

Damien Jasper · 06-25-2004, 08:38 PM

Funny how Faux News tries to say the movie will be a tremendous failure because there's just not an audience for Moore's type of stuff. They insist all of America is really behind Bush and this country is right wing dammit! And it's the most wonderfulest country in the whole wide world because of it! Funny how this movie, despite having no audience, is selling out everywhere it goes and has a new record for wide release of a documentary. If this is what the US passes of as "Fair and Balanced" news, then it deserves bad leadership.

I can't wait until the Rapture.

Ramza Brave · 06-25-2004, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Fat Puppy
Good work stringing two "insults" together, Ramza. Next time, lets not be retarded and back up what we say, shall we?

Ok, here's one for you. Dumbass tryhard cock. Wow, even more words?

I'm sick of a guy that goes around milking disasters for money and fame. He's trying to con more people into thinking he's "cool" just becuase he can go around and say, "DID TWO PLANES CRASH INTO THE TWIN TOWERS?! DID IT?!!? *takes a bite of a donut*. He's full of shit, and he'd probably never stick his face into real danger like a REAL reporter. Praise the mother fuckers that goto that shit hole sand nigger land, Iraq. They bring in the real shit, and actually report. This guy rehashes shit that everyone knows happen so he can build fame and money and try to make himself a hero.

Jason Ruiz · 06-25-2004, 08:39 PM

Damien Jasper · 06-25-2004, 08:40 PM

Milking disasters to make himself a hero? Ramza, you're describing George Bush. Those 'real stories' they bring back are wonderful clips of our heroic boys in uniform either getting blown up, protecting oil wells or torturing prisoners. I don't admire that.

Why is it that when someone questions a Republican president, they are suddenly a traitor? Clearly Moore just thinks this country isn't being the best it can be. That's actual patriotistm. PATRIOTISM IS NOT FOLLOWING THE PRESIDENT AROUNT WITH YOUR HAT IN YOUR HAND BEGGING FOR A CRUMB AND THANKING HIM WHEN HE FUCKS YOU IN THE ASS AND THEN TELLS YOU HE DID IT!!! AND FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK ANY DIFFERENT!

Anyway, this debate is giving me a cardiac episode, so I better split.

Andres · 06-25-2004, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramza Brave

Ok, here's one for you. Dumbass tryhard cock. Wow, even more words?

I'm sick of a guy that goes around milking disasters for money and fame. He's trying to con more people into thinking he's "cool" just becuase he can go around and say, "DID TWO PLANES CRASH INTO THE TWIN TOWERS?! DID IT?!!? *takes a bite of a donut*. He's full of shit, and he'd probably never stick his face into real danger like a REAL reporter. Praise the mother fuckers that goto that shit hole sand nigger land, Iraq. They bring in the real shit, and actually report. This guy rehashes shit that everyone knows happen so he can build fame and money and try to make himself a hero.

What the fuck are you talking about, retard? Half the movie IS in that "shit hole sand nigger land", you dumb piece of shit.

Fat Puppy · 06-25-2004, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramza Brave
I'm sick of a guy that goes around milking disasters for money and fame. He's trying to con more people into thinking he's "cool" just becuase he can go around and say, "DID TWO PLANES CRASH INTO THE TWIN TOWERS?! DID IT?!!? *takes a bite of a donut*. He's full of shit, and he'd probably never stick his face into real danger like a REAL reporter. Praise the mother fuckers that goto that shit hole sand nigger land, Iraq. They bring in the real shit, and actually report. This guy rehashes shit that everyone knows happen so he can build fame and money and try to make himself a hero.

I like how that can pretty much sum up my opinion of George W. Bush, sans the reporting.

Ramza Brave · 06-25-2004, 08:43 PM

you're missing what i'm saying you ignorant spic. He's still milking the disasters for fame and money. This is what I see from him. I haven't seen Farenheight 911. So I assumed he didn't go. Big woop, he probably had super security and hid in a little bungalo.

Ramza Brave · 06-25-2004, 08:43 PM

Bush is a piece of shit too. I'm not debating that.

Fat Puppy · 06-25-2004, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramza Brave
you're missing what i'm saying you ignorant spic. He's still milking the disasters for fame and money. This is what I see from him. I haven't seen Farenheight 911. So I assumed he didn't go. Big woop, he probably had super security and hid in a little bungalo.

What the fuck do you think the other reporters do there? Go out unarmed with no security at all? Are you fucking retarded?

Ramza Brave · 06-25-2004, 08:47 PM

Dude, you're an idiot. Alot of reporters went into dangerous situations and some died. IE Dan Pearl. You're fucking retarded and missing the point I'm making. Stop beating around it and look at what I'm saying instead of speculating errors like a dumb prick.

Andres · 06-25-2004, 08:50 PM

So the stuff that's in the movie doesn't count unless he's shot?

What the FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!? We don't get the point because there's no point, stupid.

And milking tragedies? Then Spielberg must be a cocksucking asshole, right? RIGHT?

Ramza Brave · 06-25-2004, 08:50 PM

He's just stirring up bullshit for fame and money. PURE AND SIMPLE. Alright I gtg, going out of state. So if you think I'm wrong/stupid, then ignore me and continue this discussion about the main topic. Later

Andres · 06-25-2004, 08:51 PM

WRONG.

Jason Ruiz · 06-25-2004, 08:52 PM

OWNED.

Crazy Ivan · 06-25-2004, 08:56 PM

Ramza, shut up until you've actually seen the movie. I saw it last night, and it was great, though there were defenitely things about it that I disagreed with (not the points he was making, but the way he was making them. Especially the last footage of Bush that he shows). And let it be known that not one single person in the history of the world has ever made a documentary in the hopes of getting rich. THERE IS NO MONEY IN MAKING DOCUMENTARIES.

AR-Raven · 06-25-2004, 09:03 PM

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If you're a strong Bush supporter, this film will likely get you mad, and you'll just call Moore a stupid asshole. If you're a fan of Moore's work, you'll love it. If you like watching "the camera keeps rolling" footage of politicians doing goofy things, you'll adore it. And if you're just sort of on the fence about everything, like I was, just maybe you'll make up your mind about Bush once and for all and vote in this election with a passion. There's no smoking gun in this film. To point out that Bush may not be the most capable man that's ever held the office of President is no new revelation. But if Moore can convince more people to speak with the vote, then I'd call this film a success.

AR-Raven · 06-25-2004, 09:07 PM

And maybe Moore is a stupid asshole who likes to stir up bullshit. And that's the wrong opinion that you have, man. This film isn't about Moore, it's about Bush. Just because the first two star wars sucked doesn't mean I'm going to openly hate the next Spielberg blockbuster. This movie only has facts in it, you can make up your mind about what they add up to. But you can't instantly bash the movie because you hate Moore, which is what every Bush supporter is going to turn to. It makes a lot of very good points, and you can't let your president brand loyalty get in the way of the really obvious stuff. Bush is an idiot.

06-25-2004, 11:33 AM	#1
Sammy Sagitarius Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,777	The "Farenheit 9/11" Megathread So, I saw it today [friday morning], and here's what I thought: So, I was extremely tired going on, by my own fault, so i'm not claiming I was all perky and awaiting anxiously. Here's what the movie did: Made my jaw drop, made me glad i'm a democrat, made me cry twice, made me question several moore tactics. This movie is great. It just IS. Realistically, anyone who doesn't like it, is a Moore-basher in the first place. First of all, Michael Moore NARRATES this film. His onscreen time is almost moot. He does a few "Awful Truth" styled gimmicks. Those are fine and dandy. I'll admit I didn't care for the Ask-The-Senator-For-Their-Kids or the Ice-Cream-Truck-Patriot-Act... I liked his point, but the highlights of this film were when Bush was being quoted, and shown to be the total ass he is. The stuff he says... "We'll get terrorists. Watch this swing." - "The haves, and the have mores. You're the elite, you're my base." The fact that all of that bullshit went on and nobody ever questioned it. The opening of the film, with the black men and women trying desperately to prevent the horrible treachery that has been the Bush Administration but with no Signatures... it was desperate. The mother of the army kid, the letter, especially her visit to Washington. This movie a) relied on music. b) stated only what it needed to to prove a point. c) did what EVERY documentary does, and was definately slanted. I see no fault with this film. It was humurous, but not nearly as humurous as some of his previous work. It was dramatic, but not melodramatic. And frankly, the way he covered 9/11's attacks - RAMZA - was extremely mature. Anyone what watches it would agree he did NOT exploit it and did not try to capitalize on the attacks in any way. He simply told some truths that I'm glad people will hear. How many Republicans know the long history between the Bin Ladens, the Saudi Government, and the Bush dynasty? I mean, if your best friend's girlfriend steals your gold watch, you AREN'T going to get reliable results if your friend is doing the investigating. It just doesn't happen. That's a lot like what happened with our government. Who pays the Bush's more... America or Saudi Oil Leaders? Not America. So what matters most to the Bush family? NOT AMERICA. Yeah, he does a great job of giving his sources, with exception to VERY NOTICABLE minor points... (the guy who said "i've HEARD it's around 7% of America") I mean, there was no proof of some of his numbers. But the thing is, the videos speak for themselves. Whenever Buch is speaking, it's CROPPED, but not trick-edited. He DID say those things, all we lose is the context. But, frankly, most of his lines - fuck the context. There is NO context where those comments are appropriate. And as far as the complaint about the final clip of Bush... what's wrong with that? He had no idea what he meant, and he came off like a dumbass. Sure, it's a low blow, but can anyone deny he did it to himself? It was him talking, not Michael Moore. I loved it. EVERYONE, especially those who support Bush, should SEE this film. People who attack something without understanding it... They're the reason this country ISN'T the best in the world. They're the POINT of the title. Farenheit 451 -- the government controls the info by burning the books. Farenheit 9/11 -- the government calls you unpatriotic and unworthy when you exercise your PATRIOTIC DUTY to question the way you're being required to live. One of the best lines? "Only the foreign press covered the story." That's right, America wasn't allowed to be honest. Frankly, people who support Bush just don't make sense. They aren't free thinkers. They aren't being logical. It's not about Republican and Democrat - it's about Bush being the worst president in our lifetime. And, Travis, your mom is stupid. Clinton was an AMAZING PRESIDENT, just an immoral man. When it comes down to the job, the thing we elected him to do, he did it very well. It's America's own fault for CARING about where his dick was that anything ever happened. --- So, yeah, I stopped reviewing and started harping a bit. Let's argue.

06-25-2004, 11:54 AM	#2
Kunio Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 7,837	Here's LiquorHead's review! And it's "LOL BUSH IS DUMB" or "MOORE IS FAT" free! AMAZING!
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06-25-2004, 08:28 PM	#4
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843	Michael Moore is a fat idiot.
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06-25-2004, 08:29 PM	#5
Fat Puppy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 6,824	Good work stringing two "insults" together, Ramza. Next time, lets not be retarded and back up what we say, shall we?
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06-25-2004, 08:29 PM	#6
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	No shit.
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06-25-2004, 12:03 PM	#3
Sammy Sagitarius Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,777	Wow, I like that LiquorHead review. Sounds like the one and only impartial review this film will ever get.

06-25-2004, 08:31 PM	#7
Damien Jasper Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 662	Look, I don't adore the idea of going at it with Ramza again, but is that the ONLY thing people have on Moore, is that he's obese? So's Dick Cheney. So what, just because Moore is fat that suddenly means that it's okay for Bush to spend 42% of his time golfing instead of running the country? Good hell.
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06-25-2004, 08:33 PM	#8
Jimmah Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,705	Yeah but he is fat. And fat people can't write books or make films. Oooh but that "Michael Moore hates America" film looks pretty interesting, cus it doesn't seem to be from a Republican stance but an actual person who's not a complete twat's stance.
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06-25-2004, 08:38 PM	#9
Damien Jasper Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 662	Funny how Faux News tries to say the movie will be a tremendous failure because there's just not an audience for Moore's type of stuff. They insist all of America is really behind Bush and this country is right wing dammit! And it's the most wonderfulest country in the whole wide world because of it! Funny how this movie, despite having no audience, is selling out everywhere it goes and has a new record for wide release of a documentary. If this is what the US passes of as "Fair and Balanced" news, then it deserves bad leadership. I can't wait until the Rapture.
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06-25-2004, 08:39 PM	#11
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06-25-2004, 08:40 PM	#12
Damien Jasper Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 662	Ain't Xenophobia great? Milking disasters to make himself a hero? Ramza, you're describing George Bush. Those 'real stories' they bring back are wonderful clips of our heroic boys in uniform either getting blown up, protecting oil wells or torturing prisoners. I don't admire that. Why is it that when someone questions a Republican president, they are suddenly a traitor? Clearly Moore just thinks this country isn't being the best it can be. That's actual patriotistm. PATRIOTISM IS NOT FOLLOWING THE PRESIDENT AROUNT WITH YOUR HAT IN YOUR HAND BEGGING FOR A CRUMB AND THANKING HIM WHEN HE FUCKS YOU IN THE ASS AND THEN TELLS YOU HE DID IT!!! AND FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK ANY DIFFERENT! Anyway, this debate is giving me a cardiac episode, so I better split.
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06-25-2004, 08:43 PM	#15
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843	you're missing what i'm saying you ignorant spic. He's still milking the disasters for fame and money. This is what I see from him. I haven't seen Farenheight 911. So I assumed he didn't go. Big woop, he probably had super security and hid in a little bungalo.
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06-25-2004, 08:47 PM	#18
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843	Dude, you're an idiot. Alot of reporters went into dangerous situations and some died. IE Dan Pearl. You're fucking retarded and missing the point I'm making. Stop beating around it and look at what I'm saying instead of speculating errors like a dumb prick.
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06-25-2004, 08:50 PM	#19
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	So the stuff that's in the movie doesn't count unless he's shot? What the FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!? We don't get the point because there's no point, stupid. And milking tragedies? Then Spielberg must be a cocksucking asshole, right? RIGHT?
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06-25-2004, 08:51 PM	#21
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	WRONG.
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06-25-2004, 08:52 PM	#22
Jason Ruiz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,975	OWNED.

06-25-2004, 08:56 PM	#23
Crazy Ivan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 9,462	Ramza, shut up until you've actually seen the movie. I saw it last night, and it was great, though there were defenitely things about it that I disagreed with (not the points he was making, but the way he was making them. Especially the last footage of Bush that he shows). And let it be known that not one single person in the history of the world has ever made a documentary in the hopes of getting rich. THERE IS NO MONEY IN MAKING DOCUMENTARIES.

06-25-2004, 09:07 PM	#25
AR-Raven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,558	And maybe Moore is a stupid asshole who likes to stir up bullshit. And that's the wrong opinion that you have, man. This film isn't about Moore, it's about Bush. Just because the first two star wars sucked doesn't mean I'm going to openly hate the next Spielberg blockbuster. This movie only has facts in it, you can make up your mind about what they add up to. But you can't instantly bash the movie because you hate Moore, which is what every Bush supporter is going to turn to. It makes a lot of very good points, and you can't let your president brand loyalty get in the way of the really obvious stuff. Bush is an idiot.
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