Indie 3dmm

Warren Wagner · 08-27-2005, 05:22 PM

There are certain community members (mainly Jon Barton, Sergon, and I) that feel this community isn't going in the right direction. There are too many PAMS and big epic movies that aren't as worried with story as how cool the explosions are. Now, we don't want to see all of these go away, hell, Barton's making "Ringworld". (Although, trust me, it has a great script along with the animation) but what we want to see in this community is more movies outside of the box. Movies that have substance over style. Movies that have in-depth characters and plots. Emotional movies that really get some people. I know many people probably don't think this is possible with a children program, but trust me it is.

Look at "Shit Happens" (Jeff Ching) for instance. The animation is far from perfect, but people said they actually cried while watching the movie. I haven't experienced tears, but I have become emotionally involved with many movies and their characters. "All I Do" (Ben Williams), any movie of Williams actually, I feel for the characters, the first time I saw "All I Do", I had given up on 3DMM, but after watching it, I realized 3DMM was not dead at all. We just need to know how to take it.

Enough bullshit talk, I will get right down to the point. Jon, Sergio, and I have been talking and we have a new way to go about making movies. We are starting something called "indie 3dmm". It is exactly as it sounds, movies that are resembling that of a independent film. One that is different from the average movie. We want to help get these made, and more of them.

Indie 3dmm is not a production company, it is more of a label, to put on movies that are outside of the box. Any movie that fits under the idea of just being a little different and making more believable stories can use it.

We are also willing to help get these movies made. I know, Sergio and I have many scripts that we would like to see made. We will offer these to directors who are looking for something to do. We will accept other scripts to add to the list, we will then make a thread of all of the available scripts and their plots, then directors can ask to read a copy. We will not just give the scripts away, we will make sure that the director is able and willing to make the story that someone spent so much time on. But we want to see more interesting movies get made.

If you are a director and you have an idea for a interesting movie, but you aren't sure how to write it, we will try to help you get someone to help you. If you have made a movie, we will test view, just because we didn't work with you, we can still let you use the "indie 3dmm" label as a way to show people that this movie is worth the download.

Also, we are willing to help voice act, or find voice actors. I know from personal experience how fucking hard it is to find voice actors. But we will do our best to help you.

I know this might sound like a lot of work, setting up an entire network of writers and directors that want to work together to make worthwhile movies, but I am willing to take this on. Sergio and Jon are willing to help me as little or as much as they have time and are willing to. I would like to also invite any of you, to offer your help to this project. The more help the better.

This won't just be a thing where Jon, Sergio, and I tell the community what is good and what is bad in movies today, even if we don't necessarily enjoy the movie, if it is different and at all an honest effort, I wouldn't be against putting it under "indie 3dmm" all directors/writers have to start somewhere.

If any of you have comments or ideas to make this project work better, please contact us or post in this thread. I'm sure people will have complaints and ideas to make this work better. All I know is, there aren't too many movies right now that appeal to us, and I am hoping to change this. If we even get two good movies out of this, I will think of this as a success, if this goes on for a long time and many good movies come from it, awesome. I know Jon, Sergio, and I have many movies planned that we will release under this label and they will all be "indie".

Feel free to contact me--

E-MAIL: colorbar@gmail.com
MSN: Filmbuff60194@yahoo.com
AIM: Svennyjr

Andres · 08-27-2005, 05:28 PM

3dmmers don't have the writing skills, directing capabilities, or plain old insight to make the movies you are referring to.

Samuel Deacon · 08-27-2005, 05:33 PM

This is not in direct response to Andres, but Foresight, I feel, has a powerful human story running through it, despite the more unbelievable aspects.

Bown · 08-27-2005, 05:34 PM

More like ForeSKIN.

Samuel Deacon · 08-27-2005, 05:35 PM

WOAH, 0WNED.

EDIT: Or shall I say, B0WNED

Warren Wagner · 08-27-2005, 05:36 PM

Sam, that sounds good. We will be interested in looking at the script or the final product. If you need any help, you know where to look

Bown · 08-27-2005, 05:36 PM

Sam, I think you'll find it's b0wned!

Samuel Deacon · 08-27-2005, 05:36 PM

I'm doing the second draft at the moment, but ill be sure to swing it your way when its done.

Jon Barton · 08-27-2005, 05:39 PM

Bown, my patience with your non-sensical replies of late is reaching a steady close. Find your balls and return with a more dignified mind.

Warren Wagner · 08-27-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Andres De La Hoz
3dmmers don't have the writing skills, directing capabilities, or plain old insight to make the movies you are referring to.

I don't think you are giving this community too much credit. I am not asking everyone to be the next Jean-Luc Godard of 3DMM, but if they can just work on having a more individual style be it in writing or directing, I would be happy.

Andres · 08-27-2005, 06:04 PM

3dmm.com doesn't even have the next Nora Ephron in terms of drama.

Warren Wagner · 08-27-2005, 06:09 PM

We don't need Nora Ephron or Godard, we just need individualism. I should type out this article Cassavetes wrote about how Hollywood has failed because it lacks individualism and people are afraid to take chances.

Z-Man · 08-27-2005, 06:21 PM

It'd be a great idea as long as the right direction and instruction were given to those who sought the 'label.' Some honest criticism with ways to improve would be absolutely imperative to reach that goal. A given, perhaps, but in the recent case of Derelict, it recieved an absurd amount of high marks when there was obvious huge flaws in it. No offense to either John or Aaron, but their extremely positive reviews do nothing to help Mousenator take the next step in reaching that 'cinematic' level we all gun for. I'd argue that Andres' comments about Derelict are of more value to Mousenator than anyone elses. What's missing are the ideas for improvement which should/could have been suggested during Derelict's production.

Honesty is the best policy in this case.

Molotov · 08-27-2005, 07:17 PM

I think this is a great idea.

Now I just need to get my ass in gear and make a movie that doesn't revolve around jokes about random bike noises and homicidal stillborns.

Bown · 08-27-2005, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon Barton
Bown, my patience with your non-sensical replies of late is reaching a steady close. Find your balls and return with a more dignified mind.

YEAH WELL THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOM SAID SO STFU

PS. I don't care.

Jesterfoot · 08-27-2005, 07:57 PM

leave.

I think this is a pretty good idea, and I'd like to see it in action.

Demented Ferret · 08-27-2005, 08:05 PM

If I wrote a 100ish page script; would anyone bother to read it? I got to 35 pages before and I trashed it because I didn't like it (that and 10 pages of really awesome dialogue disappears because of a power-outage; which pissed me off.

Aaron Haynes · 08-27-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Z-Man
No offense to either John or Aaron, but their extremely positive reviews do nothing to help Mousenator take the next step in reaching that 'cinematic' level we all gun for.

I haven't reviewed it yet, and Jon's review pretty clearly illustrates the problem's with the film's script and characterization.

Aaron Haynes · 08-27-2005, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Bown
YEAH WELL THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOM SAID SO STFU

PS. I don't care.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Andres · 08-27-2005, 08:13 PM

ahahahah

Bown · 08-27-2005, 08:29 PM

Oh, by the way, Warren, I still think it would be awesome to have Indie 3dmm have a look at the script I told you I was thinking about writing....that is, if you can forgive my other posts.

Jaymond · 08-28-2005, 03:58 AM

You know why they cried? FINAL MONOLOGUE, SHIT HAPPENS, JAYMOND.

"There are certain community members (mainly Jon Barton, Sergon, and I) that feel this community isn't going in the right direction. "

Answer: No it's not. It's great. END OF DISCUSSION

3DMM 4 LIFE!

Ned · 08-28-2005, 04:14 AM

I think I understand what Warren is saying. I've always considered myself an "indie" in this community... while I do draw upon and learn from other directors, I have my own style of movie-making, and am quite content to continue along my own path - whether responses to my work are negative or positive.

Pardon me for saying so, but it does seem that there is a bit of bias in this community towards movies made by the "veterans" of the community. I.e., the "big" movies tend to get all the hype and/or credit, while other directors get the cold shoulder. However, that's just something that I'm willing to live with. For me, it's merely an exciting hobby... not an ego-building game.

I think this "indie" idea could be a beneficial concept, provided that the goal is clearly to help other directors, writers and voice actors to improve their skills and create the best works possible, while at the same time respecting their individualized talents - not holding them up to the unspoken standard of the 3DMM "in" community.

So I'd be willing to take a closer look at this and possibly contribute.

Bobby Swisha · 08-28-2005, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warren Wagner
We don't need Nora Ephron or Godard, we just need individualism. I should type out this article Cassavetes wrote about how Hollywood has failed because it lacks individualism and people are afraid to take chances.

Lemme read.

Jaymond · 08-28-2005, 06:35 AM

It's funny that people are insinuating Barton and others aren't "indie" directors, that they're veteran directors now, or shit like that. Jon Barton was a NOBODY when he came here, and its only the fact that he created actual QUALITY 3dmm that he was recognised and then elevated up to a higher status. That's the main difference between some directors who would consider themselves to be 'indie' and others who people see as 'mainstream'.

08-27-2005, 05:22 PM	#1
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	Indie 3dmm There are certain community members (mainly Jon Barton, Sergon, and I) that feel this community isn't going in the right direction. There are too many PAMS and big epic movies that aren't as worried with story as how cool the explosions are. Now, we don't want to see all of these go away, hell, Barton's making "Ringworld". (Although, trust me, it has a great script along with the animation) but what we want to see in this community is more movies outside of the box. Movies that have substance over style. Movies that have in-depth characters and plots. Emotional movies that really get some people. I know many people probably don't think this is possible with a children program, but trust me it is. Look at "Shit Happens" (Jeff Ching) for instance. The animation is far from perfect, but people said they actually cried while watching the movie. I haven't experienced tears, but I have become emotionally involved with many movies and their characters. "All I Do" (Ben Williams), any movie of Williams actually, I feel for the characters, the first time I saw "All I Do", I had given up on 3DMM, but after watching it, I realized 3DMM was not dead at all. We just need to know how to take it. Enough bullshit talk, I will get right down to the point. Jon, Sergio, and I have been talking and we have a new way to go about making movies. We are starting something called "indie 3dmm". It is exactly as it sounds, movies that are resembling that of a independent film. One that is different from the average movie. We want to help get these made, and more of them. Indie 3dmm is not a production company, it is more of a label, to put on movies that are outside of the box. Any movie that fits under the idea of just being a little different and making more believable stories can use it. We are also willing to help get these movies made. I know, Sergio and I have many scripts that we would like to see made. We will offer these to directors who are looking for something to do. We will accept other scripts to add to the list, we will then make a thread of all of the available scripts and their plots, then directors can ask to read a copy. We will not just give the scripts away, we will make sure that the director is able and willing to make the story that someone spent so much time on. But we want to see more interesting movies get made. If you are a director and you have an idea for a interesting movie, but you aren't sure how to write it, we will try to help you get someone to help you. If you have made a movie, we will test view, just because we didn't work with you, we can still let you use the "indie 3dmm" label as a way to show people that this movie is worth the download. Also, we are willing to help voice act, or find voice actors. I know from personal experience how fucking hard it is to find voice actors. But we will do our best to help you. I know this might sound like a lot of work, setting up an entire network of writers and directors that want to work together to make worthwhile movies, but I am willing to take this on. Sergio and Jon are willing to help me as little or as much as they have time and are willing to. I would like to also invite any of you, to offer your help to this project. The more help the better. This won't just be a thing where Jon, Sergio, and I tell the community what is good and what is bad in movies today, even if we don't necessarily enjoy the movie, if it is different and at all an honest effort, I wouldn't be against putting it under "indie 3dmm" all directors/writers have to start somewhere. If any of you have comments or ideas to make this project work better, please contact us or post in this thread. I'm sure people will have complaints and ideas to make this work better. All I know is, there aren't too many movies right now that appeal to us, and I am hoping to change this. If we even get two good movies out of this, I will think of this as a success, if this goes on for a long time and many good movies come from it, awesome. I know Jon, Sergio, and I have many movies planned that we will release under this label and they will all be "indie". Feel free to contact me-- E-MAIL: colorbar@gmail.com MSN: Filmbuff60194@yahoo.com AIM: Svennyjr

08-27-2005, 05:28 PM	#2
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	3dmmers don't have the writing skills, directing capabilities, or plain old insight to make the movies you are referring to.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

08-27-2005, 05:34 PM	#4
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	More like ForeSKIN.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

08-27-2005, 05:36 PM	#7
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Sam, I think you'll find it's b0wned!
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

08-27-2005, 06:04 PM	#11
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	3dmm.com doesn't even have the next Nora Ephron in terms of drama.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

08-27-2005, 05:33 PM	#3
Samuel Deacon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,141	This is not in direct response to Andres, but Foresight, I feel, has a powerful human story running through it, despite the more unbelievable aspects.

08-27-2005, 05:35 PM	#5
Samuel Deacon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,141	WOAH, 0WNED. EDIT: Or shall I say, B0WNED

08-27-2005, 05:39 PM	#9
Jon Barton Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,103	Bown, my patience with your non-sensical replies of late is reaching a steady close. Find your balls and return with a more dignified mind.

08-27-2005, 06:09 PM	#12
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	We don't need Nora Ephron or Godard, we just need individualism. I should type out this article Cassavetes wrote about how Hollywood has failed because it lacks individualism and people are afraid to take chances.

08-27-2005, 06:21 PM	#13
Z-Man Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 319	It'd be a great idea as long as the right direction and instruction were given to those who sought the 'label.' Some honest criticism with ways to improve would be absolutely imperative to reach that goal. A given, perhaps, but in the recent case of Derelict, it recieved an absurd amount of high marks when there was obvious huge flaws in it. No offense to either John or Aaron, but their extremely positive reviews do nothing to help Mousenator take the next step in reaching that 'cinematic' level we all gun for. I'd argue that Andres' comments about Derelict are of more value to Mousenator than anyone elses. What's missing are the ideas for improvement which should/could have been suggested during Derelict's production. Honesty is the best policy in this case.
Z-Man Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 319

08-27-2005, 07:17 PM	#14
Molotov Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,858	I think this is a great idea. Now I just need to get my ass in gear and make a movie that doesn't revolve around jokes about random bike noises and homicidal stillborns.
Molotov Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,858

08-27-2005, 07:57 PM	#16
Jesterfoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,470	leave. I think this is a pretty good idea, and I'd like to see it in action.

08-27-2005, 08:05 PM	#17
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	If I wrote a 100ish page script; would anyone bother to read it? I got to 35 pages before and I trashed it because I didn't like it (that and 10 pages of really awesome dialogue disappears because of a power-outage; which pissed me off.

08-27-2005, 08:13 PM	#20
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	ahahahah
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797

08-27-2005, 08:29 PM	#21
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Oh, by the way, Warren, I still think it would be awesome to have Indie 3dmm have a look at the script I told you I was thinking about writing....that is, if you can forgive my other posts.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

08-28-2005, 03:58 AM	#22
Jaymond Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17,508	You know why they cried? FINAL MONOLOGUE, SHIT HAPPENS, JAYMOND. "There are certain community members (mainly Jon Barton, Sergon, and I) that feel this community isn't going in the right direction. " Answer: No it's not. It's great. END OF DISCUSSION 3DMM 4 LIFE!
Jaymond Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17,508	i secretly hate all of these fuckin' nerd-ball losers. but not you ; - )

08-28-2005, 04:14 AM	#23
Ned Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,742	I think I understand what Warren is saying. I've always considered myself an "indie" in this community... while I do draw upon and learn from other directors, I have my own style of movie-making, and am quite content to continue along my own path - whether responses to my work are negative or positive. Pardon me for saying so, but it does seem that there is a bit of bias in this community towards movies made by the "veterans" of the community. I.e., the "big" movies tend to get all the hype and/or credit, while other directors get the cold shoulder. However, that's just something that I'm willing to live with. For me, it's merely an exciting hobby... not an ego-building game. I think this "indie" idea could be a beneficial concept, provided that the goal is clearly to help other directors, writers and voice actors to improve their skills and create the best works possible, while at the same time respecting their individualized talents - not holding them up to the unspoken standard of the 3DMM "in" community. So I'd be willing to take a closer look at this and possibly contribute.
Ned Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,742

08-28-2005, 06:35 AM	#25
Jaymond Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17,508	It's funny that people are insinuating Barton and others aren't "indie" directors, that they're veteran directors now, or shit like that. Jon Barton was a NOBODY when he came here, and its only the fact that he created actual QUALITY 3dmm that he was recognised and then elevated up to a higher status. That's the main difference between some directors who would consider themselves to be 'indie' and others who people see as 'mainstream'.
Jaymond Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17,508	i secretly hate all of these fuckin' nerd-ball losers. but not you ; - )