Do you consider yourself religious?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Oh, also, homosexuality is not "unnatural," unless Satan is also corrupting over 1,500 species of animals.

Nature is Satan's orchestra

[Shaun]

hey Howell, Did you know Joseph Smith shot three people, killing two, before being killed by an angry mob?

[Red Venom]

Do you consider yourself religious?

Yes.

Often times throughout the day I will just sit down and rest my head and say a little prayer for my family, friends and lost loved ones.

I'm not a preacher, but I suppose believing in god or a higher power is better than not believing in anything. Most people who have some sort of faith usually have a healthy outlook on life.

[Rabid Dinosaur]

[John Coffee]

Originally Posted by Tuna Hematoma

Who else is mormon?

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Beast

Originally Posted by Howell

That doesn't disprove the book of Mormon, but it sure challenges it.

[AR-Raven]

it doesn't matter what religion you are. if you choose a religion then you just decided EXACTLY who god is and that MAKES YOU GOD. You're god, i'm god, deal with it. go direct your own life you fucker.

[Red Venom]

It's not like anyone is forcing religion down your throat.
Also wouldn't saying your god, like make you the anti-christ?
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
I think its more about doing whats right for "god" and not really about yourself, whatever that means for you.
Like for example, you hate going to work but you do it for your kids. Not yourself or something like that.
I dunno not really sure what I'm saying more than likely, talking about religion is a tough subject dude and people tend to get pissed easily.

[Black Raptor]

Originally Posted by Red Venom

It's not like anyone is forcing religion down your throat.
Also wouldn't saying your god, like make you the anti-christ?
Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I would correct you but... you're right

[John Coffee]

you guys have cool names

[Black Raptor]

Originally Posted by John Coffee

you guys have cool names

WTF who does?

[Bjorny]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Even "Answers in Genesis" has listed that as an argument "never to be used" against evolution, because it makes zero sense.

Haha, I love how Christians have a handbook that tells them what arguments not to use to come across as a little less gullible and naive.

[Black Raptor]

Whats your belief (as far as religion) bjorny?

[AR-Raven]

Originally Posted by Red Venom

Also wouldn't saying your god, like make you the anti-christ?

you're talking like a fucking idiot, but if you're going by christianity and you're god, and you're the physical manifestation of god on earth, then you are literally JESUS. I am Jesus, you are Jesus.

you're god. it's not complicated. get over your fucking self and start being god.

[NearHi]

Originally Posted by Bjorny

Haha, I love how Christians have a handbook that tells them what arguments not to use to come across as a little less gullible and naive.

I know. It's hard to challenge science.

[Red Venom]

Originally Posted by AR-Raven

you're god. it's not complicated. get over your fucking self and start being god.

I'm sorry but no, that's not what believing in god is about. It isn't about me or you bro, its the whole picture. Not some self centered view on life.
How is becoming god getting over yourself? that's like completely ass backwards.

[Bjorny]

Originally Posted by Black Raptor

Whats your belief (as far as religion) bjorny?

I'm indifferent, I guess. But worshipping fairy tale creatures is a waste of time, in my opinion.

[John Coffee]

Originally Posted by Howell

So now you're trying to belittle me by calling me a bundle of burning sticks? Are you trying to say i'm small fire food to your red fire of amusement and ridicule?

haha i love how you looked up 'faggot' on google

[Breed]

I love this thread

[AR-Raven]

Originally Posted by Red Venom

I'm sorry but no, that's not what believing in god is about. It isn't about me or you bro, its the whole picture. Not some self centered view on life.
How is becoming god getting over yourself? that's like completely ass backwards.

being god doesn't make you self centered, it makes you god. be god.

[Breed]

That concept is mentioned briefly in the first track of my new album, which can shamelessly be found here

[Compcat]

Judeo-Christian Monotheism is a pretty funny thing. It is the purest form of escapism. You as a people have fallen and shit sucks and it is completely hopeless. YET, that is not the time to abandon civilization and morals, because you will be rewarded in a glorious afterlife. This mindset is a very powerful glue to keep a primitive civilization together.

Now think about this, almost all of our morals are based in our local form of this Judaism, whether we believe it or not, so how much else has come along with it that is resting in our consciousness? Well, I'd argue that this tendency toward escapism, escaping into fantasies particularly, is a very big one. In fact, it seems clear to me that the direction we are heading in is clearly the virtual world, or "matrix". I think our history up to this point has been subconsciously trying to reach heaven, and now we are getting pretty damn close in the virtual world. And what weirdness then? Well, once we have a heaven, it is only reasonable that God will take up his throne there, in one way or another. This is all assuming that our world doesn't collapse and start to fall.

I think (and hope) that the heaven/matrix will look like What Dreams May Come, since a virtual world where one can live and create simply with your thoughts, well it will pretty much be just that then, a beautiful interconnected series of dreams. God is probably going to be a much stranger thing that might reveal itself once we've moved into this alien new realm. Obviously it's not going to be, "Yo, what up you guys, I'm God."

[Lord Blazer]

Originally Posted by Howell

So now you're trying to belittle me by calling me a bundle of burning sticks? Are you trying to say i'm small fire food to your red fire of amusement and ridicule?

Hahaha you suck


and put your dick in butts

[Red Venom]

Originally Posted by AR-Raven

being god doesn't make you self centered, it makes you god. be god.

Haha, didn't satan say something like that in the bible? I dont know.
I really don't understand how to be god, Ar Raven. Maybe you can really explain further but it does sound pretty self centered to think your god, creator of all things.
But I guess first of all, what do you consider god AR Raven? Like the source of life, or just a human being in control of himself?

[Maritheclap]

Originally Posted by Dave Miles

who else attended a christian school? My first 6 years of school were at a christian private school, and I saw enough bullshit even as a naive kid to know that christianity and religion in general were a joke. I forced my parents to send me to public school in grade 7 and that was the most refreshing school year I ever had.

I went to Christian school until 6th grade, and then in public school I had to go to a youth group on Wednesdays, Choir practice on Tuesdays, Decipleship class on Mondays, Church on Sunday (four classes on Sunday. Sunrise Bible study at 5:30am, early service at 9am, late service at 11am, and evening service ay 7pm) and any church events inbetween. Parties, bake sales, concerts, plays, etc.

[Dr Ashworth]

I'm at work so I have time for this today.

Originally Posted by Howell

That doesn't disprove the book of Mormon, but it sure challenges it.

No, having no archeological evidence for something purported as HISTORICAL while having a lot of evidence against it even happening CERTAINLY disproves it, Howell. There really is nothing else needed there to show you the book isn't legit.

Originally Posted by Howell

Let me know what you think of the truth in this verse from the Book of Mormon:
Quoted from:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/30

That Alma chapter is a blatant strawman created by the writer(s) of the Book of Mormon. They set up this "smart" atheist named Korihor to be owned by the God-believing Alma. First (verse 40) Alma asks Korihor for evidence that God doesn't exist. That's a stupid thing to ask because if God didn't exist, there would be no evidence of his non-existence besides the lack of evidence FOR his existence, which should be sufficient. The person making the claim of something's existence is the one who needs substantiation.

Alma then claims that the scriptures and the universe are evidences enough of God (44). But no, the scriptures aren't evidence of God, if you think that's the case, you have no idea what evidence IS. The scriptures tell of God, that's it. They are actually evidence against the Christian God given that they teach about him and are severely historically inaccurate. The universe's complexity does not indicate there is a supreme creator, as it could easily be in an infinite loop or creation/destruction. We have no evidence that there was a creator, it's still only conjecture at this point. Hopefully you don't consider Alma's logic to be sound here.

And then, to make the scripture even worse, they make Korihor say, "I do not deny the existence of a God, but I do not believe that there is a God." That makes NO SENSE Howell. This atheist they have created is absolutely retarded. Then, Alma finally does present proof of God's existence by striking Korihor dumb, but the problem is, that's not evidence relevant to us because the scripture is fiction. Korihor eventually believes in what is the most obvious strawmen in literary history, and you couldn't see past it.

Originally Posted by Howell

I'm asking Anti- Mormons this who were Mormons before (and possible high priests or bishops or a higher authority) they left the church completely just to do what they please after falling away from a serious sin they committed that made them feel unworthy to do work in the Temples:

Are you guilty of something you have done in the past? Does the religion sound too good to be the actual truth?

Do you really feel so unworthy that you must try to find faults in the truth you already know about and disprove it?

So, being good is too much for you, to go off and act like you don't know that God exists thinking you can do what you want, and saying that we evolved from hydrogen?

This is hilariously stupid and you are repeating word-for-word propaganda that the LDS teach about people who "fall away" or "apostates". Let me give you some truth: people leave your religion because they don't believe it's true anymore. Not because they want to "sin," "feel unworthy," the church "sounds too good," or because "being good is too much."

Originally Posted by Howell

When I fell away from the church for a while, I looked into the evolution theory and many other religions. If we Humans, really evolved from Monkey's, don't you think Monkey's wouldn't exist at all?

What the FUCK is this. Seriously, you know nothing about evolution nor have you EVER looked into it, you're capitalizing the word "monkeys" and "humans"... god damn. In the first chapter of any basic biology book, they make it clear that humans didn't evolve from monkeys or apes. To answer your question, no, natural selection does not indicate that the previous species needs to be wiped out. You clearly didn't even read the wikipedia page on evolution, you're not fooling anybody. Go ahead and read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

Originally Posted by Howell

Truth is, our mind cannot comprehend the infinite, so we have to think that there is a start and an end. Did the Egg come before the Hen? The chicken obviously...because if the egg came before the chicken, then there is no way for it to reproduce by itself on earth. So both the genders must have been created! The Holy Bible talks of Adam and Eve clearly in the beginning...

Good GOD man. This is really stupid stuff. You have no idea what you're even talking about. The first eggs appeared long before chickens. Those eggs contained the descendant species of what would later become chickens. And even before this, there was asexual reproduction. This is backed by the anatomy of millions of skeletal remains, DNA similarities, etc. Meanwhile, your theory is backed by nothing and would be laughed out of a high school biology classroom. The bible does speak clearly of Adam and Eve, but the entire fairy-tale esque story has been easily disproven by radiocarbon dating.

You then went off on the deep end by telling us all about your church. Is there anything in particular you want me to reply to there?

Originally Posted by Howell

P.S. Why won't you take a look at this site. It counters all the anti-mormonism very well: http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/DNA.shtml
http://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml

I have seen Jeff Lindsay's site, and it's nothing but garbage. Find one thing you think is a great "counter" and I'll tell you why it's not. Also, for something fun to learn, tell me what you think of the Book of Abraham's source material being found and being translated via the rosetta stone to be the Book of Breathings, not the "Book of Abraham".