Dark Gnome Productions has been officially closed.

Ramza Brave · 01-03-2005, 10:05 AM

All projects have been cancelled. There will be no Gnomes 2, there will be NO movies by myself, no more help with scores, Mario Saga 2, D3mons, and even Batman, or anything with to do with DGP. The site will now be closed. This does not mean that Ash or Mike or anyone associated with DGP is not going to release movies. But anything with my name on it, has now be CANCELED.

If you're wondering why and want an explanation. It can't be more furthur explained than what Bown is hypocritically calling "just an internet company" when him and his little whining and bitching about a company started this whole fucking thing.

More information pertained from this thread:
http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...threadid=60232

I am now ending this feud and any other feud pertaining this thread. Aaron and Goro, I consider them the biggest figure heads, respectively.
Aaron was nice enough to give me a response, but not address the problem, as Goro only had time to bash me once, and then block me over AIM.

I am not leaving the community, you'll still see my charming posts in Off Topic. As like most former 3dmmers, that's where I will be at.

Take this as you will, I don't really give a fuck. If you want to call me immature, go ahead. But you're forgetting the fact and the REASON why this has happened. There's no reason why I should give up so much time and effort in my personal life, if nobody is going to care enough to give me defense.

This may be rash, or not. I don't really care anymore. I'm sick of the bullshit and annoyances that Thomas Bown has personally caused on the 3dmm aspect of this community. If you want someone to blame, blame him.

I also respectfully apologize to Evil Ash, Mike Storch, Mike Johnston, Jon Barton, Stefan, Jalal, and anyone else affiliated with my works. The Gnomes DVDs will still be sent out, as that was a financial transaction, and I won't go back on that.

Furthurmore you'll never see me have anything to do with 3dmm itself again.

Thanks for reading, and again, I apologize.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 10:10 AM

Ok, cya next week.

Mike Johnston · 01-03-2005, 10:12 AM

For once in your life, please shut the fuck up Bown.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 10:13 AM

Why should I? DGP, and Ramza, will be back pretty soon.

I don't even see why DGP was closed when any disagreement me and Ramza had didn't involve DGP at all. I respect DGP.

Aaron Haynes · 01-03-2005, 10:27 AM

With all due respect, you're throwing a absolutely pathetic hissy fit over absolutely nothing.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 10:32 AM

HEY ALL DGP AND SSP MEMBERS COME JOIN 3DMMERS UNITED. I'LL GIVE YOU MONEYS.

Mike Johnston · 01-03-2005, 10:36 AM

You're setting a very bad example for your fellow newbs.

Jon Barton · 01-03-2005, 10:37 AM

Wait, WAIT, what?

Bown · 01-03-2005, 10:38 AM

I don't really consider myself a n00b any more, not after 18 months or so.

Jon Barton · 01-03-2005, 10:39 AM

Will someone please tell me what the sodding christ is going on

Mike Johnston · 01-03-2005, 10:39 AM

Your constant immature behaviour makes many other beg the differ.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 10:41 AM

There's a difference between a n00b and someone who does/says stupid things. Look at Pozin. Look at Midback. Would you consider them n00bs?

Aaron Haynes · 01-03-2005, 10:41 AM

I don't know, Jon, but it frustrates me like no other thing that's ever happened in this community. I'm going out for a cigarette.

Mike Johnston · 01-03-2005, 10:43 AM

Well, look at what they have contributed to the community - the "Ghetto In Afrika" movies and "Litterbug 2" are legendary, and so are their other films - the only thing you've really had to offer thus far are an onslaught of annoying hate and parody movies.

Verti · 01-03-2005, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Haynes
With all due respect, you're throwing a absolutely pathetic hissy fit over absolutely nothing.

Demented Ferret · 01-03-2005, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Bown
There's a difference between a n00b and someone who does/says stupid things. Look at Pozin. Look at Midback. Would you consider them n00bs?

They've both achieved thing AND been here for a hell of a long time. You've been here for just over a year and not done anything groundbreaking enough for people to say - 'Hey wait a minute: this guy is great!'.

ME on the other hand. Oh yeah. I've done a hell of a lot of shit. Thats why I should be PRESIDENT OF 3DMM.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 10:55 AM

You've got my vote.

Orcus · 01-03-2005, 10:57 AM

Was KBR Revival THAT hard to understand?

Aaron Haynes · 01-03-2005, 11:00 AM

Was just thinking that. I guess Pogo was right.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 11:00 AM

Well by the looks of things arguing with your problem makes it go away too.

Jon Barton · 01-03-2005, 11:02 AM

First off, no disrespect to anyone involved. This is simply an outsider's advice. This could all be sorted out if:

Bown - So you believe you've done nothing wrong. Try talking to Ramza as an equal and you'll get equal answers. Maybe then you can come to some kind of conclusion.

Ramza - Listen to Bown. So you feel upset. So you feel degraded and angered by him but at least hear him out. If he's gonna offer anything it'll be an explanation, and once he's heard yours I'm sure he'd be happy to apologise for whatever you feel he's guilty of (not knowing the story).

Moral highgrounds are rubbish fellas. So just talk it over and maybe we wouldn't be having these seemingly horrid threads pop up everywhere that just provoke more anger in everyone.

Aaron, got a light? * sparks up *

Gorosaurus · 01-03-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramza Brave

Aaron was nice enough to give me a response, but not address the problem, as Goro only had time to bash me once, and then block me over AIM.

You said yourself, specifically, not to reply if I was busy and/or didn't care. Well I was and still AM freaking busy, which is why I signed off AIM, still without knowledge of where the block button even IS on that program. Why did I sign off, without even humoring you? The same reason I didn't bother reading your reply on the board at that time - because I did not have time getting into an emotional hissy fit over absolutely nothing with anyone. You know you weren't the only one trying to tug my cape about this whole thing on AIM, Bown and several others were as well. As said before, I don't have TIME to deal with that kind of junk. For the record, your single AIM reply was, quote, "BomberMan198 (5:38:26 AM): well I'll just give you the just of it. I didn't like the way you handled that, and the fact that you guys defended Bowns stature as such a malicious intent he has. I'm going to quit 3dmm. And close all my projects, companies and movies. That's the just of it. And if you're short of time, than just move on and don't care about it. Bye."

What does that scream out? "HEY MAN, PLEASE SAY "NOOO RAMZA, DON'T LEAVE I'M SORRY AND YOU ARE SO TALENTED, IT'D BE A SHAME TO LET THAT GO TO WASTE." True or not is beside the point, it's a blatant cry for self-esteem boost and a wrenching of wantan emotions. It's not the first time I've dealt with that mindset, and I'm confident it won't be the last. If you are mad about that, then you truly did and do NOT respect my time.

And as for that bashing remark, I simply am at whits end here. I said to stop degrading the Film Festival so far; I felt you should at least respect the time spent, if not the work done on those projects. If that's a bash, then that's a pathetic one.. however, that doesn't make it any less substantiated. You were doing just that, and acknowledged such by apologizing twice for it. That was it, that was the end of my business with you in that thread.

I didn't know, and still DON'T know what this whole Bown/Ramza fued is about, but I can tell you that I don't give three cares either way. My concerns lied soley with you parading through countless threads now (Bown's remarks in this thread show he is just as guilty, all who are keeping score), and the degrading remarks you were making about the movies. ONE of these is a bannable offense, and I don't mean to get mean or anything, but several people have told me that if Graham/Scorpion got banned for their charades, then you guys deserve double the ban (AND NO ONE CARES WHO'S AT FAULT, BTW GUYS). I'm not making this stuff up, people are really tired of it, and it's only been me trying to be understanding that's kept you from the doghouse. Whatever disagreements you guys had, they stay in this thread, otherwise I'll have no choice but to side with the complaints.

Ramza Brave · 01-03-2005, 12:01 PM

Bannable? I no way have I done anything bannable. I voted for you to be a mod, but if you go around and ABUSE it. I'm sure Goat would remove it. There's no room for abusive modship in this community.

And I imed that to you AFTER I asked you to take a look at my response. My point is still clear. It's the fact that you are blatantly lying on what this feud is about? How many times have I explained what's going on? Appearently you had to of seen that if you read that I apologized twice for what you posted.

As for another lie, if you had truely signed off, your mobile name would of appearened, in which case it didn't. Meaning you blocked me. But this is irrelivant. Don't abuse your mod powers, becuase you're angry with me. By most of the posts in this thread, it just makes me more content with my decision. And in turn, tugging the rope even harder is just going to result in me doing the same. I have a very stuborn nature. And if you put yourself in my shoes for all the work you've done for this community and had it spat back in your face. I'd like to see the way you'd react as well. This didn't start with the film festival, it started with MY MOVIE. Which was originally bashed by Bown. If you guys are too blind to see his motives, which he distinctly continues to show in this very thread. I could give a flying fuck whatever else you have to say.

I hate having to do this. But there has always been a line, and I have always kept myself to a certain dignity. Tonight that line was crossed, and you guys robbed me of it. So no, this isn't a blatant cry for attention. This is me being pissed off for being ignored about the shit that's going on with Bown and 3dmm. Not the personal feud, the 3dmm issues.

Bown · 01-03-2005, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramza Brave
This didn't start with the film festival, it started with MY MOVIE. Which was originally bashed by Bown.

The one I really liked and gave something like 78% to?

Anders Borg · 01-03-2005, 12:35 PM

This sucks cock. Ramza I'd like you to reconsider..

01-03-2005, 10:05 AM	#1
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843	Dark Gnome Productions has been officially closed. All projects have been cancelled. There will be no Gnomes 2, there will be NO movies by myself, no more help with scores, Mario Saga 2, D3mons, and even Batman, or anything with to do with DGP. The site will now be closed. This does not mean that Ash or Mike or anyone associated with DGP is not going to release movies. But anything with my name on it, has now be CANCELED. If you're wondering why and want an explanation. It can't be more furthur explained than what Bown is hypocritically calling "just an internet company" when him and his little whining and bitching about a company started this whole fucking thing. More information pertained from this thread: http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...threadid=60232 I am now ending this feud and any other feud pertaining this thread. Aaron and Goro, I consider them the biggest figure heads, respectively. Aaron was nice enough to give me a response, but not address the problem, as Goro only had time to bash me once, and then block me over AIM. I am not leaving the community, you'll still see my charming posts in Off Topic. As like most former 3dmmers, that's where I will be at. Take this as you will, I don't really give a fuck. If you want to call me immature, go ahead. But you're forgetting the fact and the REASON why this has happened. There's no reason why I should give up so much time and effort in my personal life, if nobody is going to care enough to give me defense. This may be rash, or not. I don't really care anymore. I'm sick of the bullshit and annoyances that Thomas Bown has personally caused on the 3dmm aspect of this community. If you want someone to blame, blame him. I also respectfully apologize to Evil Ash, Mike Storch, Mike Johnston, Jon Barton, Stefan, Jalal, and anyone else affiliated with my works. The Gnomes DVDs will still be sent out, as that was a financial transaction, and I won't go back on that. Furthurmore you'll never see me have anything to do with 3dmm itself again. Thanks for reading, and again, I apologize.
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843

01-03-2005, 10:10 AM	#2
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Ok, cya next week.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

01-03-2005, 10:12 AM	#3
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893	For once in your life, please shut the fuck up Bown.
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893

01-03-2005, 10:13 AM	#4
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	Why should I? DGP, and Ramza, will be back pretty soon. I don't even see why DGP was closed when any disagreement me and Ramza had didn't involve DGP at all. I respect DGP.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

01-03-2005, 10:32 AM	#6
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	HEY ALL DGP AND SSP MEMBERS COME JOIN 3DMMERS UNITED. I'LL GIVE YOU MONEYS.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

01-03-2005, 10:27 AM	#5
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	With all due respect, you're throwing a absolutely pathetic hissy fit over absolutely nothing.

01-03-2005, 10:36 AM	#7
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893	You're setting a very bad example for your fellow newbs.
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893

01-03-2005, 10:37 AM	#8
Jon Barton Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,103	Wait, WAIT, what?

01-03-2005, 10:38 AM	#9
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	I don't really consider myself a n00b any more, not after 18 months or so.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

01-03-2005, 10:39 AM	#10
Jon Barton Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,103	Will someone please tell me what the sodding christ is going on

01-03-2005, 10:41 AM	#12
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	There's a difference between a n00b and someone who does/says stupid things. Look at Pozin. Look at Midback. Would you consider them n00bs?
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

01-03-2005, 10:43 AM	#14
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893	Well, look at what they have contributed to the community - the "Ghetto In Afrika" movies and "Litterbug 2" are legendary, and so are their other films - the only thing you've really had to offer thus far are an onslaught of annoying hate and parody movies.
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893

01-03-2005, 10:55 AM	#17
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	You've got my vote.
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740

01-03-2005, 10:57 AM	#18
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	Was KBR Revival THAT hard to understand?
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146

01-03-2005, 11:00 AM	#19
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Was just thinking that. I guess Pogo was right.

01-03-2005, 11:02 AM	#21
Jon Barton Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,103	First off, no disrespect to anyone involved. This is simply an outsider's advice. This could all be sorted out if: Bown - So you believe you've done nothing wrong. Try talking to Ramza as an equal and you'll get equal answers. Maybe then you can come to some kind of conclusion. Ramza - Listen to Bown. So you feel upset. So you feel degraded and angered by him but at least hear him out. If he's gonna offer anything it'll be an explanation, and once he's heard yours I'm sure he'd be happy to apologise for whatever you feel he's guilty of (not knowing the story). Moral highgrounds are rubbish fellas. So just talk it over and maybe we wouldn't be having these seemingly horrid threads pop up everywhere that just provoke more anger in everyone. Aaron, got a light? * sparks up *

01-03-2005, 12:01 PM	#23
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843	Bannable? I no way have I done anything bannable. I voted for you to be a mod, but if you go around and ABUSE it. I'm sure Goat would remove it. There's no room for abusive modship in this community. And I imed that to you AFTER I asked you to take a look at my response. My point is still clear. It's the fact that you are blatantly lying on what this feud is about? How many times have I explained what's going on? Appearently you had to of seen that if you read that I apologized twice for what you posted. As for another lie, if you had truely signed off, your mobile name would of appearened, in which case it didn't. Meaning you blocked me. But this is irrelivant. Don't abuse your mod powers, becuase you're angry with me. By most of the posts in this thread, it just makes me more content with my decision. And in turn, tugging the rope even harder is just going to result in me doing the same. I have a very stuborn nature. And if you put yourself in my shoes for all the work you've done for this community and had it spat back in your face. I'd like to see the way you'd react as well. This didn't start with the film festival, it started with MY MOVIE. Which was originally bashed by Bown. If you guys are too blind to see his motives, which he distinctly continues to show in this very thread. I could give a flying fuck whatever else you have to say. I hate having to do this. But there has always been a line, and I have always kept myself to a certain dignity. Tonight that line was crossed, and you guys robbed me of it. So no, this isn't a blatant cry for attention. This is me being pissed off for being ignored about the shit that's going on with Bown and 3dmm. Not the personal feud, the 3dmm issues.
Ramza Brave Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,843

01-03-2005, 12:35 PM	#25
Anders Borg Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,435	This sucks cock. Ramza I'd like you to reconsider..