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[Dick Harris]

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[Adam Clough]

Originally Posted by Whitey

Let's say that every woman in New York City is issued a bright pink handgun and is trained how to use it. They are also permitted to conceal the gun on their person at all times.

What effect do you think this would have on crime? Would muggings against females go down? Rape? Harassment? Kidnapping? Murder?

Or do you think that crime would get worse?

Well, it'd be putting the power to kill into the average person's hand. With that kind of power, the average person isn't going to be responsible.

And as far as assault rifles go, you're not gonna use one to maim somebody in self defence. Combat weapons are made for combat, not your room mate.

[Pozin]

you know what, i really don't have the answer, but i do know that a powerful handheld tazer in every woman's posession would also have a strong effect on crimes toward women

and if it is indeed a false alarm, all that happens is that the person will be incapacitated for a while, but i agree one hundred percent that people need a means of self defense, but it isnt a good idea, like adam said to give the capacity to kill to every single person in the country at any time

[Whitey]

Originally Posted by Adam Clough

Well, it'd be putting the power to kill into the average person's hand. With that kind of power, the average person isn't going to be responsible.

What? You're basically saying that giving guns to responsible people breeds irresponsible use. There are over 200 Million guns in the United States, and 99.9% of them are used in a responsible manner. The overwhelming majority of guns are never used for a violent purpose, and the overwhelming majority of gun owners never break any laws with the guns.

Plus...giving someone a gun doesn't suddenly give the person the "power to kill." People already have that power. The majority of murders in this country do not involve firearms.

[Pozin]

there are 300 million americans in this country, if 99.9 % of them use guns in a responsible manner, that leaves 300 thousand americans who DONT.

[Pozin]

Originally Posted by Whitey

What? You're basically saying that giving guns to responsible people breeds irresponsible use. There are over 200 Million guns in the United States, and 99.9% of them are used in a responsible manner. The overwhelming majority of guns are never used for a violent purpose, and the overwhelming majority of gun owners never break any laws with the guns.

Plus...giving someone a gun doesn't suddenly give the person the "power to kill." People already have that power. The majority of murders in this country do not involve firearms.

youre right about the last part, but who exactly qualifies as a "responsible" person

[Whitey]

Originally Posted by Pozin

there are 300 million americans in this country, if 99.9 % of them use guns in a responsible manner, that leaves 300 thousand americans who DONT.

So we should punish the responsible gun users by taking their firearms away, while the criminals get to keep theirs and use them against an unarmed public?

Great idea.

Look...most people who go to bars drink responsibly, but a small minority of people get drunk and then drive, cause fights, rape women, etc. So should we ban the sale of alcohol in public because a small number of people are irresponsible and abuse the privilege?

[Pozin]

um. i really dont know dude

im just saying that 99.9% is a VERY deceptive statistic

[Phil Williamson]

pozin...ugh. you have made so many blatantly false statements in this thread. gang members are POOR, they aren't gonna suddenly all buy ARs if they're legalized. ditto for arabs in the middle east. ugh do your research before panicking.

[Pozin]

hey, ill admit when im wrong, and i didnt know alot of the facts Whitey brought up

all i have is an opinion, im not saying im 100% right OR wrong, there is no WRONG or RIGHT in this whole debate because there are so many unique circumstances to every situation

[Pozin]

all arabs in the middle east need to do to find an AK47 is look on the ground

[Pozin]

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

pozin...ugh. you have made so many blatantly false statements in this thread. gang members are POOR, they aren't gonna suddenly all buy ARs if they're legalized. ditto for arabs in the middle east. ugh do your research before panicking.

like whitey said, criminals with violent intent most often dont BUY their weapons

[Raz]

jimmy did you write this:-

Ask Jimmy

5-6-08

Dear Jimmy,

I'm frustrated because I just joined an Internet forum and it is really really hard to come across the way I want to, and everyone dislikes me, I dont know if I should give up and join another forum, or create a new alibi and join again. I know its just the internet and I shouldnt get upset, but the Internet is every bit as real as real life, because I am interacting with real people! I know there are tons of other internet forums, but this particular one is full of people i have known for several years and share tons of interests! What should I do?

-Frustrated

Dear Frustrated,

I have been where you have been, I find it REAL frustrating interacting on the internet. It is totally different than real life, because you aren't THERE with these people! You cant use your intuition because you have no idea what these people are actually doing! You might post something funny, and it might be innappropriate and you probably know that a joke is only funny at a certain moment! Also, on an internet forum, everyone gets to take as much time as they want to plan and refine a response! People also love to attack people on internet forums, like telling them how stupid they are or to stop spamming or you arent funny when they would NEVER have the balls to say something like that in real life! Im still personally trying to figure out interaction on the internet. It seems as if the only thing people care about on these boards is how COOL they are!


If people didnt care so much how they came across, and just were open, it would be a much friendlier world! You can't carry on a real discussion on these boards. It is different on open boards where noone knows who anyone is and if they post something kind of dumb, nobody is going to remember you if you post again because there are tens of thousands of users. I recently got banned from an internet board which i tried to break into and fit in because its full of lots of great, creative, interesting people that i have grown up with! See, nobody on the internet has a clue what anyone else is REALLY like, every single person on this board is acting, because all they care about is their reputation! See, to express laughter, you have to actually go to the effort of posting a laughter, there are no genuine responses!

I know it is frustrating when you are a great likeable guy in real life with tons of friends who everyone loves then i go to this board with people i love and try to be the same guy, and i just get attacked quite violently and you know what? it hurts! Because i would get along GREAT with all of these people in real life! On this board I was banned for, nobody would even listen to a word I had to say, and the people who might have listened didnt have the guts to go against the crowd. It is just like middle school, to be cool you find the people that the most people are making fun of and join in, its a very hostile atmosphere.

My suggestion, Frustrated, is to get all those guys on whatever board you want to join to become friends on Facebook, or better yet, get their instant messaging names, AIM or MSN or whatever and chat with them! it still isnt real life, but instant messaging is a lot closer to it because the only people seeing your conversation is you and the other person! that way these people will hopefully see you for who you really are! Facebook is wonderful, mainly because the other people are your close friends and people you really know! You cant make an ass of yourself, because everyone knows exactly who you are! Get all those guys to become a group of friends on Facebook! The last thing I reccomend is to make a fake name and masquerade as someone else, that will put you in a mental prison! Trust me, you cant fake being another human being, they will be able to tell. Just get these guys AIM names and chat with them for a while!

Heres a few helpful hints on close internet forums, kill them with kindness. If someone is being a complete jerk to you, dont get hateful and fight them! internet fights are completely stupid, seriously. just keep being nice and friendly, its hard to stay mad at someone when they are being nice to you!

Always be yourself! Of course, trying to be yourself on the internet is hard, but when i said about nobody listening to what you have to say, well most good people DO read what you have to say, but then they choose whether or not they want to acknowledge you or not! On this board I was banned from, the only thing anyone ever cared about was how COOL they are. I was labeled for god knows why as the social outcast, therefore every single person would take every advantage to verbally attack me, and you know what, these are real people, and that hurts. I mean, i would get along great with ALL of these guys in real life! Dont give up, like I said, get these guys screenames and do the majority of your socializing in private! Use the board to promote stuff you are working on, because they will definitely appreciate that . I hate saying stuff like this, because it goes against everything I believe in, but if you want to fit in that sort of environment, copy how everyone else posts. Sad as it is, on the internet you DO have to be very careful and word everything to make sure you come across as yourself. Alot of nice people probably come across as jerks without meaning to. It is a very unique and sticky situation. In this board I came from, there were about eighty or ninety people, and everyone knows who each other is, but they dont know anyone in real life!

But everyone appreciates a genuine person, so if you laugh at someones joke or comment, even if nobody else is or noone likes the person, just give them an honest laugh! say what is on your mind! give honest feedback to people, and NEVER attack anyone! It is pointless to fight on the internet!

Fighting is different then a heated debate, because heated debates are one of the most fun things about internet forums! Close knit internet communities can be really fun and rewarding! All these people from all over the world with common interests and differing views, dont give up, just follow the rules in the place, even if its unfair and biased, but yeah, kill them with kindness! Be nice to everyone, if someone is a jerk and insults you, yeah it is probably going to hurt because this is a real person! but that guy most likely is a nice guy in real life and would never say that stuff in person! But pointless fighting on the internet is ridiculous.

Get their AIM names, or if its cool, call them up on their cell phones! try to get everyone to join Facebook and become friends! Dont try to be a new person, it wont work, and it will be hell. Dont give up, because being part of a closeknit community can be one of the best experiences on the internet!

in response to 3dmm.com?

no-one actually sent you that question.

[Pozin]

yes

[Mikepjbell]

Did you answer your own questions?

[Whitey]

One of my favorite things in life is when I walk into a place of business and they have a sign or sticker on their door that says "This is a Gun-Free Zone." How often do you think a guy packing heat who is intent on robbing a store sees one of those stickers and thinks, "Gun-Free zone? Shit...I can't bring my gun in to rob this place. Gotta go to plan B I guess."

So to sum up my basic point in all of this...gun control keeps guns away from good people while bad people get to keep theirs. Criminals aren't going to obey gun control laws because they are LAWBREAKERS BY NATURE. It's pretty simple really.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Pozin

yes

[Adam Clough]

Originally Posted by Whitey

What? You're basically saying that giving guns to responsible people breeds irresponsible use. There are over 200 Million guns in the United States, and 99.9% of them are used in a responsible manner. The overwhelming majority of guns are never used for a violent purpose, and the overwhelming majority of gun owners never break any laws with the guns.

Plus...giving someone a gun doesn't suddenly give the person the "power to kill." People already have that power. The majority of murders in this country do not involve firearms.

Well if that was the case why would people have them at all? :P
You didn't state a difference when you said it mate. You just said EVERY woman. Training in a deadly weapon, standard issue stylised pink pistol... instant female empowerment much? Sure there's more than one way to skin a cat, but you can't deny what the easiest is.

And if there really was a 99.9% of 2million guns in the hands of responsible people, and 1% in the hands of those who aren't, then why the shitty balance of power being held? Or at least not being held in the places where it should count the most.

[Raz]

i kinda posted the thing from jimmy's site in the wrong thread i apologize for interrupting this enthralling debate.

[Pozin]

Originally Posted by Whitey

One of my favorite things in life is when I walk into a place of business and they have a sign or sticker on their door that says "This is a Gun-Free Zone." How often do you think a guy packing heat who is intent on robbing a store sees one of those stickers and thinks, "Gun-Free zone? Shit...I can't bring my gun in to rob this place. Gotta go to plan B I guess."

So to sum up my basic point in all of this...gun control keeps guns away from good people while bad people get to keep theirs. Criminals aren't going to obey gun control laws because they are LAWBREAKERS BY NATURE. It's pretty simple really.

yeah, like setting up metal detectors at high schools, the kid is going to walk up with an m16 in his hands, see the metal detector and be like "aw, shucks, there goes my plans of shooting everyone. sorry sir, heres the gun, didnt realize you had a metal detector"

[Pozin]

fascinating as this gun control debate is, this thread WAS about john mccain being elected

[Whitey]

Here's the reason why when I move into my first apartment in a few months I plan on getting a gun:

I imagine that the worst feeling in the world is for a person to have his home invaded. My biggest fear in living alone is that I will find myself in a situation where someone breaks in with a weapon and I will be helpless and unable to defend myself.

If I have a gun, it's a fair fight. I know the chances of a home invasion actually happening are slim, but still...they do happen. You could be the most liberal, gun-hating person on the planet, but if one night a guy breaks into your home and ties your family up, starts beating your loved ones and raping your wife...the thing that will be running through your mind the entire time will be "Fuck...I wish I had a gun next to the bed."

[Mikepjbell]

Jesus is it really that bad that you need a gun in your house?

[Pozin]

what about a gun loaded with rubber bullets?

[Whitey]

That's not as good. I want lethal force. If someone breaks into my house, I want to be able to blow his chest cavity WIIIDE open.

My philosophy on the subject is basically taken from Anthony Cumia. Here's a video of him discussing it:

http://www.lazlow.com/friends/anthon...e_episode1.mov