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[Bown]

solid list

Spongebob is like 22. I've never seen a single second of it. Is it actually good? It always looked very monkeycheese.

[Izak MD]

it's just a shit list, i dunno. they're biased towards sitcoms and HBO dramas. if they put spongebob at 22, but didn't rate ren and stimpy higher, they're retards.

also, roseanne is the best laugh track sitcom of all time, with cosby show in a close second place. to put Cheers above that is just........ i don't know, you have to be allergic to humor

[Bown]

I'm assuming Cheers being so high is based on influence etc. They judged by like six categories that I can't remember.

Seinfeld is the best multicam though. George Costanza is my favourite comedic character in anything

[Dungeon Snake]

yeah at first i actually thought that was just a list of sitcoms & dramas. cuz if you're just listing best TV SHOWS... that's a huge spectrum. antiques roadshow, cosmos, star trek, jeopardy, snl, all the music shows and sports shows... there's like 3 million different directions you could take that. it also seems pretty heavily biased towards like, the last 20 years or so. i'm surprised to see deadwood in the top 10, i've never seen that show but i wasnt under the impression it was considered to be in the same tier as Mad Men? it kinda just reads more like a list of those guys's favorite shows (whoever they are). personally i'd put rocky & bullwinkle above Deadwood. the only thing i think most people could agree on is that the Simpsons definitely belong in the top 3 of american tv shows

[Bown]

It's deliberately only narrative fiction. Rocky and Bullwinkle is there somewhere

and I would say Deadwood is considered top-tier, just far less well-known. but yeah it is surprising that it's in the top 10 and beats out (to give some examples from 11-25) MASH, Larry Sanders, Twilight Zone, AD, or Hill Street Blues.

[Shaun]

Yeah that list just looks like someone's personal favorites. I kinda doubt they have well-reasoned arguments for why Breaking Bad, a recent serialized crime/drama, falls between classic light-hearted sitcoms I Love Lucy and Cheers.

Also, Bown, Spongebob is a kids show. It's for kids. If you're on the internet too long you're liable to forget the show's target audience isn't bearded man-children and Austin French Frys. If there's only one thing the internet ruined, it's Spongebob.

That said, it's a quality show. (At least it was, I wouldn't know anymore.) It's the last of the fondly-remembered old generation of Nicktoons, so it'll stay on the air forever. I wonder if it's terrible like the Simpsons by now or what.

[Dungeon Snake]

spongebob can be pretty monkehcheeezz!!!11 but it's also pretty funny. when it first came out in 1999 or whatever there wasn't too much else like it on the air. it had the skewed modern perspective of rocco's modern life, the artistic chops of ren & stimpy, but it also came from a kinder & gentler place than those cartoons (without sacrificing any of the absurdism). if you're interested in getting a taste-test bown, imo the best bellwether is ep 17b from the first season, entitled "rock bottom". it's pretty classic.
i used to occasionally watch the show because my little brothers liked it. i haven't seen it in a long time (is it still running? idk) but it ran for SO god damn long and was SO god damn popular that for a while in the mid-2000's it seemed like nickolodeon would basically run all spongebob reruns all day every day, just because there were so god damn many different episodes & kids always enjoyed watching the show. i think it got oversaturated to the point that the show's humor became ubiquitous and thus annoying

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Dungeon Snake

it had the skewed modern perspective of rocco's modern life, the artistic chops of ren & stimpy, but it also came from a kinder & gentler place than those cartoons (without sacrificing any of the absurdism).

yeah that's a good way to describe it

+1

[Izak MD]

hmmm apparently cheers is more widely respected among critics than i would have thought

but a lot of this critical respect seems to come only in hindsight

both the cosby show and roseanne did better ratings-wise, but they both didn't last as long

i guess i really just dont give a shit about what critics think

i'd put COPS as one of the top 5 best american shows, because it was like real-life cinema verite. it was the only reality show that ever offered a glimpse into reality. like, if i watch an old episode of COPS and see a gas huffer getting arrested and observe his personality and everything, i can be like, 'oh ive met guys like that. this is all very real. there are things going on in this guy that can never be acted by a professional, no matter how hard they try.' of course, it's sort of sad in a way that those guys always have to be in the subordinate position, but you take what you can get

so that's a better show.

now that i think of it, TV has always been better for live stuff and talk show interviews and things, i think that's the one major advantage it has over film -- the spontaneity. so if you're only looking at TV narrative fiction, your list is already fucked up just based on the premise alone

[Dungeon Snake]

Cheers is fucking great

[Izak MD]

deborah lipstadt as a great courageous american hero bhahahahahahaha

you cant do this kind of shit nowadays when one simple look at her wikipedia page reveals that she's just patently awful

[Tuna Hematoma]

Was that the rat guy from Harry Potter?

[Tuna Hematoma]

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[Bown]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yeah that list just looks like someone's personal favorites. I kinda doubt they have well-reasoned arguments for why Breaking Bad, a recent serialized crime/drama, falls between classic light-hearted sitcoms I Love Lucy and Cheers.

I don't understand. What's the argument here? Comedy and drama can't be on a list together?

[Bown]

Originally Posted by Dungeon Snake

if you're interested in getting a taste-test bown, imo the best bellwether is ep 17b from the first season, entitled "rock bottom". it's pretty classic.

i gave this a shot! but unfortunately i kinda hated it. it's one mediocre, frustrating concept repeated over and over and over. the whole "glove world" concept was....kinda absurdist? but the only actual funny line was him complaining that the candy is glove flavour. to give an example of a joke i hated, think of the bit where he impersonates his grandad or whatever. maybe i'm just too traumatised from 26 years of missing buses but "every time he goes away another one comes and speeds off LOL" is just....the furthest thing from inherently funny to me. same with the blowing raspberries after every few words.

the one bit i really liked was when he's in line and that guy vomits out the "329" egg onto his head and then 3 baby versions hatch out of it and cut in front of him.

[Dungeon Snake]

haha, well, fair enough! at least you gave it a shot.

[Bown]

for sure. i also liked the very last shot. but i really don't understand how that humour can work past the age of about 11. i know i'll just sound like the biggest hipster millennial but adventure time (post-the first couple seasons) really is just far funnier than this as well as having stronger character work etc and being more visually inventive

[Samurai Clinton]

I think Donald Trump is committing tax evasion, so I think he needs to be retroactively impeached from presidency!

[Dungeon Snake]

Originally Posted by Bown

for sure. i also liked the very last shot. but i really don't understand how that humour can work past the age of about 11. i know i'll just sound like the biggest hipster millennial but adventure time (post-the first couple seasons) really is just far funnier than this as well as having stronger character work etc and being more visually inventive

i'd be inclined to agree, but im not sure there would be an adventure time without spongebob to sort of blaze the path. for what that's worth. which is not much. i'm not one of those who puts a lot of weight on forebearers

[Tuna Hematoma]

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[French Fry]

john oliver pisses me off the most. its like, you'd show him a clip of saying "i don't like transexuals because they're not natural, why should we treat them like normal people?" and then he'd give his signature bucktoothed cuck smile and be like "BECOS ITS TWEN-IE SIXTEEN YA FOKIN PRICK!" and the audience eats that shit up.
just look at this cunt

[Bown]

lmao i actually don't like his show and think there are plenty of valid criticisms but you're just talking nonsense right there.

BP if you're reading this don't turn into mini-Izak like your brother

[Bown]

also i'm going to assume your insinuation that the idea that transsexuals shouldn't be treated as normal people is just a result of poor phrasing rather than your actual beliefs

[Quilt]

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[Mr Mong]