Let's Jam this Bog with Roasts

[Izak MD]

right, but the issue is, the loud minority is usually far more powerful than its more flexible and moderate counterpart, and it's typically quite rational to treat them as the pinnacle of what they represent.

there's a fine essay about just this subject by nassim taleb, here: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-most...e15#.4xcjfp1lf

[Bown]

I'm pretty sus (especially cause it literally starts off with a thing about halal meat and I already had to sit through one bullshit controversy about this) but I'll read that article tomorrow.

[Izak MD]

taleb is the real deal brah

the tl;dr version is: religious minorities with dietary preferences have a big impact on the food industry. people feel obliged to appease them, and often times, the foods normal people consume will fit their paradigm just because it's convenient. this is why some regions just automatically make everything kosher, like soda pop, even though the jews are a very small population.

by analogy, it works the same way with morals. if people appease and accept small, loud, intolerant minorities (religious, quasi-religious, etc) who have to maek everything go their way, they certainly will get their way and dictate the direction that discourse toward.

if AFF doesn't like SJWs and thinks they're a problem, and doesn't like the direction that things are going into, he should absolutely NOT say "well, i see where they're coming from..... their intentions are good," no. they will continue to have leverage that way, and others will bend over backwards to accommodate their nonsense. he should speak up and say, "i'm not with your program, guy." any sensible person should. and that's what he's doing.

[French Fry]

so what the fuck do i side with, it seems like a lose/lose situation

[Bown]

follow your heart, austin! figure out what you believe inside. without any external input

and if you still hate sjws then, ya know, at least you know for sure.

[Mr Mong]

Originally Posted by Izak MD

a song about mad brown'o'bedlam

i've heard this somewhere before, probably in my local.

yeah i remember now it was some people singing this on some folk music night here http://i.imgur.com/bk2i6lH.jpg btw those wierd circles were originally put there to stop witches from coming down the chimney and going nuts lol

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Bown

well yeah because you have no idea what you're even really actually saying? you've just read some internet badass people say that feminism is bad and you just follow it and blindly repeat it every time you get the chance. being all "wahhh political correctness" is "in" these days and it worries me that tons of people your age are gonna grow up like that. people my age are bad enough.

You don't think there's any problem with political correctness?

[Quilt]

http://blah-ray.blogspot.com/p/what-is-this-site.html this guy is good, been following his ptp thread about this and now he's put it all on a blog

gotta make sure i don't watch any of these movies with the bad versions of their audio tracks e.g.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
Too many changes in the English 5.1 to name. Most notably, the gun effects have been modernised and sound extremely weak.

[Bown]

Originally Posted by Pirate Balloon

You don't think there's any problem with political correctness?

I guess it depends on how you mean that. I absolutely believe people can do dumb/bad shit under the guise of political correctness. But other than university censorship I don't think there are any signs at all that it's a bad thing for our society right now or that society is getting worse in any way because of it. Unless you wanna be Mr Mong and say "WELL PEOPLE ARE GETTING RAPED LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE BUT THE NAMBY-PAMBY MEDIA REFUSE TO REPORT ON IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE IMMIGRANTS LOOK LIKE SAINTS".

[Bown]

Originally Posted by Quilt

http://blah-ray.blogspot.com/p/what-is-this-site.html this guy is good, been following his ptp thread about this and now he's put it all on a blog

gotta make sure i don't watch any of these movies with the bad versions of their audio tracks e.g.

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
Too many changes in the English 5.1 to name. Most notably, the gun effects have been modernised and sound extremely weak.

this is really interesting. People spend so much time talking about the video quality on blus but other than the reviews on blu-ray.com I never hear anyone discuss the audio

luckily he likes the audio on the only criterion blu I own, yay

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Bown

I guess it depends on how you mean that. I absolutely believe people can do dumb/bad shit under the guise of political correctness. But other than university censorship I don't think there are any signs at all that it's a bad thing for our society right now or that society is getting worse in any way because of it. Unless you wanna be Mr Mong and say "WELL PEOPLE ARE GETTING RAPED LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE BUT THE NAMBY-PAMBY MEDIA REFUSE TO REPORT ON IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE IMMIGRANTS LOOK LIKE SAINTS".

I don't see how you can really believe that when the inquiry reported that PC was one of the main reasons that allowed Rotherham to happen for so long. It's not just the media, but also the police and other government departments not wanting to do anything in fear of being seen as racist etc. And i think it's obvious it also played a huge part in the same kind of rape gangs up and down the country.

Honestly i think you're incredibly naive to think it has no negative impact on society when there are still people in Rotherham getting death threats thanks to this deep rooted problem which has never been addressed properly thanks to political correctness.

I think it's a good thing that people are finally started to feel more comfortable speaking out about things that used to be shouted down or censored. Obviously i'm not talking about baseless slandering being justified (although should be allowed), i mean reasonable debates and arguments that can get shut down without being addressed fairly.

[Bown]

I am replying but just quickly wanted more info on the death threats. Who's sending them to who? Over what?

[Bown]

Oh damn you're offline. Well, I agree with your final paragraph. Censorship under the guise of political correctness isn't really political correctness at all. And of course I'm not going to stand here and defend any part of Rotherham (although I'll admit I sorta smirked at "rape gangs up and down the country"). But when it comes down to it, I don't believe this is anything more than a severe minority example, and not something I could see repeating itself. And it just seems to be used as a scapegoat to bitch about "political correctness" in any form. I just don't think "THEY'RE ALL RAPISTS BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S RACIST" is valid in any way. Sorry if that's naive.

I remember reading a Dan Hodges (maybe the only good article I can recall by him) article on why Rotherham was more of a racism issue that I agreed with, but can't find it atm

I have also seen way too many twitter accounts in the past week which claim to represent London black cabs and stand up for their rights but are actually just about how all immigrants and minicab drivers are rapists, so it might not be the best time

[Mr Mong]

Here's a small list of one's that made the news but I guess if the same 8~9 comedians we have on every channel on every night on television that all have the exact same opinion about everything do not mention it it doesn't exist.
Your saying Rotherham was caused by racism? What the? They are not the victims here.

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Bown

Oh damn you're offline. Well, I agree with your final paragraph. Censorship under the guise of political correctness isn't really political correctness at all. And of course I'm not going to stand here and defend any part of Rotherham (although I'll admit I sorta smirked at "rape gangs up and down the country"). But when it comes down to it, I don't believe this is anything more than a severe minority example, and not something I could see repeating itself. And it just seems to be used as a scapegoat to bitch about "political correctness" in any form. I just don't think "THEY'RE ALL RAPISTS BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S RACIST" is valid in any way. Sorry if that's naive.

I remember reading a Dan Hodges (maybe the only good article I can recall by him) article on why Rotherham was more of a racism issue that I agreed with, but can't find it atm

I have also seen way too many twitter accounts in the past week which claim to represent London black cabs and stand up for their rights but are actually just about how all immigrants and minicab drivers are rapists, so it might not be the best time

Why would you smirk at that? I think it's a pretty serious issue to be honest with you. This has already literally repeated itself up and down the country.

I think it's naive and dangerous to keep insisting it's just a one-off thing and not something deep-rooted.

[Bown]

I smirked because it's an inherently ridiculous thing to say. That it ended up being somewhat true is sorta beside the point.

I found the article, it explains it better than I could, but not saying the rapists are the victims hahah http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...of-racism.html

So I know the argument here. These things show that immigration is bad because clearly these vile savages (the great unspoken part of so much of this argument lol) just love to rape and won't ever stop even when they move here, therefore we shouldn't be allowing more in to potentially carry it on. I'm not gonna stand here and say this is the worst argument that has ever been made about anything, but it's just not one I agree with. First up, how many of the people in these sex gangs were immigrants vs British nationals? How many similar issues have there been with white Brits over the past decade? There's a LOT more to it than people would have you believe.

But when it comes down to it I just agree more with the argument that we should help refugees because the vast vast majority of them are innocents fleeing a war and have suffered horribly and deserve shelter and safety rather than the argument we should close our borders because every one in ten thousand is a bit rapey. This information has absolutely raised an eyebrow, don't get me wrong, but the second it starts being your predominant way to view migrants is the second you start letting hatred take over (imo).

[Pirate Balloon]

I never mentioned anything about migration, whether the perpetrators were born here or not is irrelevant. I'm not even talking about the motive and reasons for it happening in the first place.

You're missing the point.

These rape gangs got away with it for so long as people were afraid of being called or perceived of being racist, due to who the gangs were. White rape gangs, as you say, might get away with similar crimes for different reasons; but not being reported due to fear of being called racist certainly isn't one of them.

That's why political correctness is the issue for this particular type of incident.

Originally Posted by Bown

I smirked because it's an inherently ridiculous thing to say. That it ended up being somewhat true is sorta beside the point.

Perhaps i made it seem like i meant it was happening in every single town in the country. My point is that it's not a one-off thing, the fact that it has happened in various places around the country in similar circumstances makes it a fairly rational thing to say imo.

[Mr Mong]

Allowing the whole third world to plopped on our doorstep is bad for many reasons beside muslim rape gangs but that's a whole.other conversation.
There are children being abused by whites and sometimes in high levels of office even in Hollywood this shit happens but nothing like on the scale we see here.

The thing that pissed people of the most is that the police knew about it and even stopped the father's from rescuing their own children the.government seems to care more about defending islam than its own people.

[Bown]

Originally Posted by Pirate Balloon

These rape gangs got away with it for so long as people were afraid of being called or perceived of being racist, due to who the gangs were. White rape gangs, as you say, might get away with similar crimes for different reasons; but not being reported due to fear of being called racist certainly isn't one of them.

That's why political correctness is the issue for this particular type of incident.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I absolutely 100% am against the thing you describe here. I just think this is an extreme example. How many other shitty or terrible things have been allowed to continue under this guise? You're not far off from suggesting we're going to become a hotbed for all sorts of awful behaviour because nobody will want to point it out, and I just don't agree.

Originally Posted by Mr Mong

The thing that pissed people of the most is that the police knew about it and even stopped the father's from rescuing their own children the.government seems to care more about defending islam than its own people.

Do you have a source for this, specifically on the rescuing? Obviously I'd find it disgraceful if true.

[Bown]

To give an example of how I feel using this Breitbart article I found (wish I had a better source but there you go), I absolutely agree there should NOT be a laissez-faire attitude when it comes to issues such as this. Where it becomes complicated is when there are so many who feel the exact same way about, say, speaking a different language on the tube, or eating halal meat. It's hardly difficult to imagine why so many think all anti-immigration sentiment is racism when these attitudes are sooooo prevalent in our society.

So we need to get better at figuring out which cultural attitudes don't translate, and work on ironing them out and explaining different viewpoints (specifically the viewpoint that women are equal as humans, I guess!). But obviously I still don't believe this means we shouldn't allow them in - I know it's not what you specifically are saying, Peebs, but at this point the two arguments just go so in sync it's hard not to argue one without the other. As for political correctness....I think we're just talking about different stuff, really. Because people will cry political correctness gone mad for all sorts of offensive and racist shit, that is more about their attitudes. I don't think political correctness is bad is a shitty argument because you're saying a Pakistani rape gang that existed actually did exist, I think it's a shitty argument because so many will use the current anti-PC trend as a way to express their own prejudices - far more than will use it as a way to get away with criminal behaviour. Even Mong can't quite stop himself - who goes to South America and the first adjective that comes to mind is 'dirty'?

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Bown

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I absolutely 100% am against the thing you describe here. I just think this is an extreme example. How many other shitty or terrible things have been allowed to continue under this guise? You're not far off from suggesting we're going to become a hotbed for all sorts of awful behaviour because nobody will want to point it out, and I just don't agree.

Perhaps it is an extreme example. I'm just using this as the most high-profile and particularly awful case of were political correctness had a negative impact on society and very real impacts on a lot of peoples lives.

Basically my point is that i think PC is dangerous not because people can't insult people on the internet, but can have very real negative consequences on serious issues.

I think it can affect all sorts of things like conversations involving age, gender, class and so on.

[Bown]

somewhat related, what do you think about the rise in hate crime since brexit?

[Mr Mong]

There's a bunch if sources here's one
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...d-to-tell.html

In Islamic culture and even most African countries raping and fucking kids is okay to them because the prophet did it, they don't have the concept of rape if a woman gets raped it's her fault for tempting the man its just how it works for them and the more that are allowed to live here the more difficult it gets to prove to them they are wrong.

[Bown]

jeeeeeeesus

the article does pretty clearly state that there was more than just political correctness preventing progress being made, though. in fact, it seems like it was one of the less decisive factors, not that it surprises me it's the one everyone glomps on to EDIT well maybe not, but at least other factors were equal

EDIT2 but also it still does seem like an extreme example because it involves failings on so, so many levels of the police force. doesn't seem like just political correctness on its own would have been enough to let this carry on

[Compcat]

Originally Posted by Mr Mong

i've heard this somewhere before, probably in my local.

yeah i remember now it was some people singing this on some folk music night here http://i.imgur.com/bk2i6lH.jpg btw those wierd circles were originally put there to stop witches from coming down the chimney and going nuts lol

Post of the month, credit goes to both of ya'll. Congrats!