Let's Jam this Bog with Roasts

[Tuna Hematoma]

I like unique animation. I fully understand it would be a bitch to do... but cmon. Simpsons is a perfect example. There's no "personality" to the Simpsons since they went "modern"


Is Marge supposed to be a robot?

[Slime]

yeah i hate that shit. that is a good example

[Shaun]

Yeah that's a good example of how animation has changed. On the new version it's so clean and sterile. For example Marge's body probably was not drawn more than once, and in the old version it was drawn again for every frame, which is what brings the animation to life.

Although I specifically remember this example. Animators chose to minimize Marge's movement as not to distract audiences from the hilarious joke of Maggie shaking fists with another baby.

[Air Rick]

wow what a difference.

I bet the animator who did the animation for Marge in the first rendition was pretty proud of his work.

I can imagine him recording/or asking someone to do some sort of "concerned look" gesture, and then him trying to exaggerate it for the style of the cartoon.

[Slime]

hold on though, i dont know much simpsons but isn't the first clip from the title sequence? that's a bit unfair of a comparison, if the 2nd one isn't from a title sequence, since title sequences always get more care

[Shaun]

They both are. The title sequence was reanimated for HD. They made a ton of pointless changes and added non-jokes like that for nostalgia.

[Roadkill Dave]

could be worse

[Slime]

oh shaun then yeah thats just bad.

[Space Goat]

Pretty much all the animation for cartoons is outsourced to Korea these days, where the animators are totally disconnected from the creative teams. I'm sure Jason can speak more about this.

[Trooper]

Originally Posted by Tuna Hematoma

I like unique animation. I fully understand it would be a bitch to do... but cmon. Simpsons is a perfect example. There's no "personality" to the Simpsons since they went "modern"


Is Marge supposed to be a robot?

I know the main point about this comparison is the hair/head movements and I totally agree but I also just noticed those shaking fists. Is that just two alternating frames? I swear it's just two. Fucking hell.

[Dungeon Snake]

somehow the shading makes it look worse too

[Scatterbrain]

yeah it is 2 frames apparently. posted this in that never ending Simpsons thread a while back. it's a pretty depressing read.

About the Marge turn, I had originally done a version where she did a nice head turn but, again, they didn't want it. "Just have a simple head turn because we want the joke to be Maggie and the unibrow baby," they told me.

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[Phil Williamson]

to be fair it's a pretty great joke

[Eukos]

not sure how it can be that distracting if the camera already pans away from her to reveal the unibrow baby

[Air Rick]

i hate executive meddling like that. It's so disappointing.

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Space Goat

Pretty much all the animation for cartoons is outsourced to Korea these days, where the animators are totally disconnected from the creative teams. I'm sure Jason can speak more about this.

it's been like that since pretty much forever

it's just a question of how you deal with it. like when ren & stimpy was being made, the spumco animation company forced all of the writers to know how to draw (so that the humor would be primarily visual), and they made the layout artists much more powerful (usually the layout artists don't do anything except add a few details to the storyboard and ship the thing off). so the layout artists would add all these insane details to the storyboard, or even redo parts of the storyboard altogether, and then they'd force the korean animators to do a top-notch job, constantly checking in on them. but that sort of thing is very rare.

the simpsons has never had great animation at all except for a few deliberately stylized portions, but they at least made their opening credits well done. i suppose that doesn't even matter anymore. at any rate, it has always been a writer-driven show.

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Shaun

fun fact about Ren and Stimpy: the creator John Kricfalusi was an impossible-to-please, complete asshole to work for. As such he had a rule his animators had to follow: Every emotional expression drawn had to be original. Throughout the entire series, a character's expression is never animated more than once. This is why the show's animation is so memorably zany.

john K is and apparently was a total fucking asshole, but whenever i read his ideas about animation, i find myself fully agreeing with about 90% of what he has to say. also, if you listen to his DVD commentary on the old ren and stimpy episodes, he mostly discusses all these miniscule details about the animation that i'd never have even noticed. he'll be like "man who drew ren's face like that!! how did i let that one go?? FIRED!" it's pretty funny

[Tuna Hematoma]

No photoshop required?

[Bobby Swisha]

Originally Posted by Space Goat

Pretty much all the animation for cartoons is outsourced to Korea these days, where the animators are totally disconnected from the creative teams. I'm sure Jason can speak more about this.

No way is this true for everything. I'd imagine stuff like Archer is animated here. (Although that being said it's a lot easier to animate because it's animation is so limited.)

Also really complicated stuff like Xavier: Guardian Angel.

[Jesterfoot]

there is currently a police helicopter circling around my block shouting "come outside. Close the door. Put your hands up. give yourself up" over a speaker phone

[Bobby Swisha]

that old trick

[Bobby Swisha]

Originally Posted by Tuna Hematoma

I like unique animation. I fully understand it would be a bitch to do... but cmon. Simpsons is a perfect example. There's no "personality" to the Simpsons since they went "modern"


Is Marge supposed to be a robot?

everything has been PC'ified. Marge is a more wholesome mother. Maggie is given more personality. The grocery bagger is now brown skinned. (Not really sure why this is necessary since the Simpsons themselves seem to be of an ambiguous ethnicity?) A new baby character with a unibrow is introduced because its funny when people are born looking different than what society deems as beautiful.

Izak, please write your PhD about this.

[Izak MD]

hahaha

i dunno, on the first couple episodes, smithers was black, wasn't he?

then they turned him into a gay man

i dunno what's more PC

[Evil Ash]

I think he always had a "love" for Mr. Burns, pretty early on.

Also he was only black for ONE episode because the colorist fucked up and they were too poor to redo it.

[Izak MD]

ah ok

but see, we mustn't look at this through the lens of the intentional fallacy.

we must examine what that error says about political correctness metatextually