Let's Jam this Bog with Roasts

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Bown

i think you have the right to not have to sit in a smoky room if you don't want to

yeah it's called not going to the restaurant, dumbass

and its hilarious how below you're trying to turn your own pussy-ass stance on this into the manly one.

as for the kids with measles, what more is there to say? there have been 100 outbreaks more or less in CA. one hundred. that's very little, and yes, i have no problems with them suffering because of the decisions of their parents. the great thing about measles vaccines is that i can prance around gleefully in a room full of people suffering from measles and ill be straight.

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

you can't smoke in any pubs?? man, australia sounds gay as hell.

Same in the UK, that came into force in about 2004. I was 14 when it happened so i wasn't a smoker at the time and didn't care. I'm glad that ban's in place now though.

I used to smoke a bit socially when i was drinking in uni and going outside was no big deal. If anything it was a bonus.

In regards to what Andres said about being banned from smoking in your own home with children, i remember last year there was a law proposed in parliament to ban smoking in cars with children. Although i agree with the proposers the kids will get a ton of the second hand smoke and it's really irresponsible, i also agree with the opposers in that you shouldn't make laws that are unenforceable. Also agree with the principle that we shouldn't have to legislate about parents doing selfish and irresponsible stuff like that around their kids, but that would be an ideal world.

Dunno how i feel about it tbh.

[Izak MD]

but pirate balloon the corporate media told us it's very important and in a democratic society we must have an opinion on everything no matter how uninformed we are! thats what democracy is all about!

[Old Rivers]

Originally Posted by Damage Jackal

lol ok i've only done it for ten years. also i was a smoker at that time. there's a difference between smoking and having to inhale the second-hand smoke of a thousand other people. you come home feeling like you've smoked two packs. you ask any bartender that works in a pub you can smoke in and they'll tell you they wish it was banned. i don't know when your backwards-ass country will get with the times

haha come on man. you believe smoking should be illegal in bars and tobacco shops. no matter what way you spin it, that's the pussiest stance of all time.

[Bown]

going outside to smoke is better in a bunch of ways because it's more social and you can meet new people etc. i have met a bunch of folks like this and i'm not even a smoker

and izak idiot blah blah blah you all know better than to take his shit seriously anyway so who cares

i don't understand what any of this has to do with being 'manly' or 'a pussy'. if not wanting to constantly breathe in other people's second-hand smoke makes me a pussy than that's totally fine with me.

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

if you work in a bar and you can't stand the smell of smoke then i'm not sure you are well-equipped for this world, nor do you understand what a bar is or why people go there. you sound more like a soccer mom than a guy who works in a pub.

Are you even old enough to go to pubs?


It's not just about the smell it's about all the harmful effects of smoking you have no choice in inhaling. A smoker has the choice to accept the risks and smoke. A second-hand smoker has no choice.

[Old Rivers]

Originally Posted by Bown

going outside to smoke is better in a bunch of ways because it's more social and you can meet new people etc. i have met a bunch of folks like this and i'm not even a smoker

and izak idiot blah blah blah you all know better than to take his shit seriously anyway so who cares

both true

I don't really have any big objections to smoking bans for public places in general. but bars?? come on... bars were MADE for smoking.

[Compcat]

Originally Posted by Pirate Balloon

Are you even old enough to go to pubs?


It's not just about the smell it's about all the harmful effects of smoking you have no choice in inhaling. A smoker has the choice to accept the risks and smoke. A second-hand smoker has no choice.

Yeah he does. Find a different fucking establishment. Christ.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

both true

I don't really have any big objections to smoking bans for public places in general. but bars?? come on... bars were MADE for smoking.

bars are public places. which is why smoking in bars is banned. bars are made for drinking, not smoking. this explains why bars are still successful, even in countries with smoking bans. smoking was banned in spain in 2011, and i can assure you, the country's bars and restaurants didn't collapse.

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Compcat

Yeah he does. Find a different fucking establishment. It's not complicated, christ.

That's an incredibly selfish and impractical way of looking at it

[Damage Jackal]

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

haha come on man. you believe smoking should be illegal in bars and tobacco shops. no matter what way you spin it, that's the pussiest stance of all time.

uh are you even old enough to drink in bars? isn't the drinking age 21 over there? i can't believe i'm having to explain the merits of banning smoking in bars in 2015 jesus christ

also i don't know what a tobacco shop is, i don't think we have anything analogous here

[Old Rivers]

Originally Posted by Andres

bars are public places. which is why smoking in bars is banned.

smoking in bars is not illegal by legislation in america.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Compcat

Yeah he does. Find a different fucking establishment. Christ.

If that were an effective solution, there wouldn't be smoking bans.

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Andres

bars are public places. which is why smoking in bars is banned. bars are made for drinking, not smoking. this explains why bars are still successful, even in countries with smoking bans. smoking was banned in spain in 2011, and i can assure you, the country's bars and restaurants didn't collapse.

i like how every time you talk about spain with a twinkle of admiration in your eye, you make it sound like a completely shitty country

[Damage Jackal]

Originally Posted by Compcat

Yeah he does. Find a different fucking establishment. Christ.

haha is this a joke? i hope this is a joke

[Bown]

"selfish and impractical" may as well be Compcat's motto

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Bown

i don't understand what any of this has to do with being 'manly' or 'a pussy'.

dude youre the one who started up all this "boo hoo hoo i'm a crybaby" stuff, that shit's on you

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

smoking in bars is not illegal by legislation in america.

It is in many states.

"As of January 2014, 28 states have enacted statewide bans on smoking in all enclosed public places, including all bars and restaurants: Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin."

[Izak MD]

meanwhile back in reality:

Originally Posted by My Best Friend Wikipedia

Prognosis
The majority of patients survive measles, though in some cases, complications may occur, which may include bronchitis, and—in about 1 in 100,000 cases—panencephalitis, which is usually fatal.

keep in mind gorosaurus was like "people are dying!!!" -- and he agrees with my views on this shit!

has there been a death toll in california? can i get that info?

[Izak MD]

Originally Posted by Andres

It is in many states.

that is true, and it sucks. the good compromise was smoking and non smoking sections. i dont smoke, but i have no problems with people who want to go to bar to do that.

[Old Rivers]

Originally Posted by Andres

It is in many states.

huh, i just looked it up and apparently i live in one of the sixteen states that still allows smoking in bars. didn't realize it was banned so many places.

[Bown]

It was actually a bad compromise because non-smoking sections were still always full of smoke

[Izak MD]

nah it was a good one, pussy

[Andres]

A big part of why smoking is banned is because governments don't want people to smoke. The parts about smoking bans that you think are draconian or excessive are there because they aren't meant simply to protect non-smokers, they're meant to discourage smoking in general.

You ban smoking because you want smokers to be the ones who have to come up with alternatives to smoke. You don't want non-smokers to be the one who have to find a non-smoking establishment, you want smokers to be the ones who have to go find a smoking establishment.





This is kind of a pointless derail from the vaccine issue, though, since they're not the same. There are actually many reasonable ways in which non-smokers can be shielded from smokers, it's just that laws and practice don't reflect that because they're intended to prevent everyone from smoking. But you can't really go to an 'unvaccinated club'.

[Izak MD]

well that's the hwole problem andres, that's the root of my issue here.

are you in favor of those retarded laws where packs of cigs are supposed to emblazon one half the pack with propaganda images of a dude with a hole in his throat?