3DMM Political Threads 2008

[Aaron Haynes]

The Super Early 2008 Presidential Election Poll
Somewhat early 2008 Presidential Election Poll
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Welp Ron Paul has been destroyed.
2008 Presidential Election Poll (Super Tuesday Edition)
why i am boting for bush
Can someone tell me whats wrong with Ron Paul?
Obama
Bush wants to drill in the ANWR
are you proud of being american?
lol @ libertarianism
ugh
Whitey, i have a serious question
The Death Penalty is BULLSHIT
italy: a proud nation of tolerant citizens
2008 Presidential Election Poll (GE Version)
McCain/Obama church interview thing
america suffers from battered wife syndrome
Who will Obama/McCain's VP be?
worst books ever written part two
Okay...I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to politics
bill o'reilly approves of obama
is america straight up retarded?
The economy is pretty exciting lately
1st Presidential Debate
The problem with uneducated voters, summed up nicely in the form of an IM
Is there any legitimate reason not to vote?
Who else is looking forward to tonight's debate?
Prisoners have constitutional rights?
2008 Presidential Election Videos Thread
Voted yet?
Final 2008 US Presidential Election (and predictions) thread
Bobby Jindal in 2012 Megathread
Is Obama shitting on us?
Proposition 8 supposedly passed
Guy throws shoes at Bush
Israel is a Terrorist State

I started bookmarking these a few months ago, with a preference for the ones where there was a debate of some sort. I saved anything I thought I might like to read again down the road.

Most deal with the election, but there are a few good policy debates in there too. All were started in 2008 except for the two election polls at the top.

Something sure lit a fire under our asses last year. I blame George Bush.

[Zaquis]

it was the complete circus that was the election

[Kale Monster]

Originally Posted by Compcat

"deny federal funding to any organisation which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style" along with destroying public education and social security, [loc.gov]," Homosexuality is not a trait to be proud of, its a defect like retardation just to a far lesser extent in that gays can function as members of society. I don't think that gays are immoral or evil or anything like that, gay 'pride' is about as moronic as fat 'pride.' I'm for getting rid of social security, that seems a little ridiculous to me, and about public education, I'm not sure specifically what that would entail but I think the claim might be misleading from the source information.

There were lots of hilarious quotes but this one makes me cringe at Compcat the most. I know it's about issues I feel strongly for, but it's a perfect Compcat post. Shortsighted, barely literate musings by a surburban middle class teenager.

[Bown]

Originally Posted by Compcat

Democrat is no better, mccain or obama, either way means more government and therefore more corruption and more shittiness.

This is definitely my favourite Compcat post. It's just so awfully "fuck the system guys!!!"

[Compcat]

Originally Posted by Cade

There were lots of hilarious quotes but this one makes me cringe at Compcat the most. I know it's about issues I feel strongly for, but it's a perfect Compcat post. Shortsighted, barely literate musings by a surburban middle class teenager.

I'm sorry that it offends you but I actually am right. A genetic trait that limits a specie's ability to survive (in this case reproduce) is a DEFECT. Its nothing to be proud of. That simple.

[Kale Monster]

Originally Posted by Compcat

I'm sorry that it offends you but I actually am right. A genetic trait that limits a specie's ability to survive (in this case reproduce) is a DEFECT. Its nothing to be proud of. That simple.

The Gay rights movement and gay pride is a direct response and rejection of a century + of discrimination, victimization and homophobia. Gay pride is about unifying and rejecting the second-class citizen status that gay people have been forces into.

See, you can say things like "well, I'm not proud to be straight, why should they be?" but the thing is, heterosexuality has been constructed - through Industrialism and Religion and a variety of other influences - as the social "norm." Bisexuality and homosexuality are seen as sinners, and for a long time, filthy individuals and most importantly, something to be hidden and to be ashamed of (eg, the as-abhorrent attitude of 'I don't care what they are, so long as they don't do it in public.') Gay pride is a direct response to this. The fact that you need this explained to you, along with your opinions of race and a country's responsibility to its citizens, is really telling about who you are and what sort of background and position in society you come from.

[Damage Jackal]

I for one am shocked that Compcat has no real world frame of reference for the insanely stupid shit he thinks he believes.

[Compcat]

Ok, stop distracting yourself with other issues in this, it is really more simple than you make it. Homosexuals have a gene that makes them attracted to people they cannot naturally have children with. Heterosexual people can do it fairly easily, they don't need to use technology or have to bring in another person. So either heterosexuals have a great advantage or gays are at a disadvantage. A defective gene leads to disadvantages, in this case being that gays cannot reproduce with each other without the aid of technology. THAT FUCKING SIMPLE. A bad gene. Puts gays. At a DISADVANTAGE.

If gay 'pride' actually means gay 'want equal rights,' ok, whatever, thats fine, but pride is totally the wrong word to use "1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc." There is a lot of room to misunderstand the meaning here (that I'm sure plenty of gays do).

[HMC]

Originally Posted by Compcat

in this case being that gays cannot reproduce with each other without the aid of technology.

Have you not been reading this thread at all

Originally Posted by Compcat

pride is totally the wrong word to use "1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc." There is a lot of room to misunderstand the meaning here (that I'm sure plenty of gays do).

OR superiority. OR. You fucking dullard.

[Kale Monster]

Originally Posted by Compcat

Ok, stop distracting yourself with other issues in this, it is really more simple than you make it.

You're the one who has repeatedly failed to fully address points. Also no, it isn't really more simple than I make it.

Originally Posted by Compcat

Homosexuals have a gene that makes them attracted to people they cannot naturally have children with. Heterosexual people can do it fairly easily, they don't need to use technology or have to bring in another person. So either heterosexuals have a great advantage or gays are at a disadvantage. A defective gene leads to disadvantages, in this case being that gays cannot reproduce with each other without the aid of technology. THAT FUCKING SIMPLE. A bad gene. Puts gays. At a DISADVANTAGE.

As a gay guy, I can avoid unwanted pregnancy and I basically undergo a self-imposed proof of parenting trial before I can have a child. This is an advantage. Any homosexual couple who manages to adopt or conceive a child gets the opportunity to choose the mother of that child in ways that don't at least partially hinge on romantic emotions. This is an advantage.

The desire to have children is strong and trancends sexuality. What this means is that if a gay couple wants to have a child, they will. This is not a disadvantage. The act of having a child is not exclusive to heterosexuals, and homosexuals have a variety of ways in which to accomplish conception – including many low-tech methods that don't even require vaginal penetration by either of the gay couple. This is not a disadvantage

Originally Posted by Compcat

If gay 'pride' actually means gay 'want equal rights,' ok, whatever, thats fine, but pride is totally the wrong word to use "1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc."

You haven't fully comprehended your own definition of 'pride' –

Originally Posted by Compcat

There is a lot of room to misunderstand the meaning here (that I'm sure plenty of gays do).

For fucks sake. So just because some gay people might have a superiorty complex and just because some of those complexes might be caused by the pride movement, that means the pride movement is asserting that gay people are superior to other social groups or something? That seems to be what you're saying here.

I have defined not only the goals of the pride movement, but why it is called the 'pride movement', mentioned that there were/are pride movements for other disadvantaged or oppressed minorities (black, disabled, etc), and what the pride movement's goals are. Those goals are the elimination of oppression through the rejection of imposed shame and discrimination and responding by rising to meet the oppressing societal groups through the rejection of that shame..

Quote from wikipedia that sums it up far more eloquently than I can this morning:

LGBT pride or gay pride refers to a philosophy asserting that (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) individuals (LGBT people) should be proud of their sexual orientation and gender identity. In recent years the use of the abbreviation has been used to be inclusive of the entire "gay community".

The word pride is used in this case an antonym for shame, which has been used to control and oppress LGBT persons throughout history. Pride in this sense is an affirmation of ones self and the community as a whole. The modern "pride" movement began after the "Stonewall riots" of the late 1960s. Instead of backing down to unconstitutional raids by New York Police, gay men in local bars fought back. While it was a violent situation it also gave the underground community the first sense of communal pride in a very well publicized incident. From the yearly parade that commemorated the anniversary of the Stonewall riots began a national grassroots movement. Today many countries around the world celebrate LGBT pride. The pride movement has furthered the cause of gay rights by lobbying politicians, registering voters and increasing vivibility to educate on issues important to LGBT communities. LGBT pride advocates work for equal "rights and benefits" for LGBT people.

The movement has three main premises: that people should be proud of their sexual orientation and gender identity, that diversity is a gift, and that sexual orientation and gender identity are inherent and cannot be intentionally altered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride this is the link.

Fucking lolll that you have completely mutilated your own definition. Also you're implying that lots of gays have a superiority complex. What the fuck, man. Superiority complexes are a common human trait, and not necessarily caused by someone's sexuality. And even if someone does have a superiority complex, so what? It's not at all relevant to this discussion at all. Did you add that sentence on to sort of try to make the Pride movement seem a little more irrelevant? Why did you even add that to the end of your post?

It seems pretty clear to me that you don't really think too critically about things, and most certainly that you form opinions about issues without looking too deeply at the issues themselves or doing much in the way of understanding core concepts within these issues. This trait you have is the reason why I quoted you in my first post in this thread, because I believed that the quote illustrates it conscisely.

[Damage Jackal]

I love that you can pick out every single thread posted by Andres.

[Zaquis]

* ears perk up * Bown!

run!

run while you still can!

* pushes bown out the door, glancing back anxiously *

[Molotov]

'is america straight up retarded?' is my favourite.

[Lord Cardigan]

hey! these are all from america! I'm bored already. But that bloke with the shoes was hilarious

[Pirate Balloon]

Originally Posted by Willdasmiffking

hey! these are all from america! I'm bored already. But that bloke with the shoes was hilarious

Then start your own thread!

[Lord Cardigan]

what's Katherine Tate's most famous line?
think about it!

[Sinarach]

What the...

Where did my post go? Did you go delete my post Aaron?

[Damage Jackal]

Hopefully.

[Aaron Haynes]

My 3D work is going fine, Adrian, thanks for asking.

However, I don't trust your appraisal of it anymore, cause you're incapable of dealing straight with me about it. So stop trying to make these clumsy troll posts and turning every thread into the Adrian Pikios Show.

[Sinarach]

Ok cool. Thought I was going crazy there for a second.

[Robert Domke]

These threads don't have much value. If you compare them to other boards, the level of argumentation is low.

[Andres]

Considering your participation in the financial crisis thread, you are probably the last person that should be arguing for higher argumentation levels.

[Andres]

You would be right (biologically speaking) if homosexuality limited a species' ability to survive.

But you have no evidence of homosexuality limiting a species' ability to survive. Furthermore, common sense and logic tell us that homosexuality does not limit a species' ability to survive, certainly not a species like man.

Therefore, you are wrong.

[Compcat]

You could make that same argument on why autism isn't a genetic defect.

[Deadstar]

If anything you should be thankful, the world's overpopulated as it is.