Proposition 8 supposedly passed

[Apfigur]

Originally Posted by Bowman

I don't get that. For a lot of people, it isn't a marriage if God isn't involved. Marriage is a contract between two individuals with God as the officiator. You simply can't take God out of marriage because it is, in fact, a religious ceremony and is a religious concept.

I would say that it's the state which should have no say in marriage. A state should only be able to grant civil unions, ie a contract between two individuals with the state as officiator. A state has no authority to grant a marriage contract because it is a secular authority. No state has the authority to create a compact between men and God.

Of course the real problem here is that a lot of insurance agencies, banks, gov't programs, etc give more benefits to a contract called "marriage" than one called a "civil union" which is discriminatory and has to change.

Well, ofcourse people will have ceremonies like marriage in church. You can't forbid that. But when you're married in a church, the state shouldn't have anything to do with that, since the church and the state are separated.

I don't know how that system works in America, though.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Bowman

I don't get that. For a lot of people, it isn't a marriage if God isn't involved. Marriage is a contract between two individuals with God as the officiator. You simply can't take God out of marriage because it is, in fact, a religious ceremony and is a religious concept.

um, no? marriage has mostly been, throughout the ages, a social contract to unite families and find a provider for women. it's only tangentially associated to religion in most cultures pre-christianity. besides that, most people don't get married for religious reasons, and they require all the protections and provisions of the state, and besides that marriage isn't defined legally as a contract between two individuals looked upon by god. what are you even talking about here? did you basically just completely redefine words and ideas to your liking to make another idiotic anti-government post? you are playing an astoundingly bad semantic game here.

[Sinarach]

Do you want to re-edit your last line anymore?

My culture marries for religious reasons. You have no idea. Continue to wave your e-penis around some more.

[Kale Monster]

Originally Posted by Sinarach

Do you want to re-edit your last line anymore?

My culture marries for religious reasons. You have no idea. Continue to wave your e-penis around some more.

Uh.... no we don't.

Australia is a highly secularised country with the proportion of people identifying themselves as Christian declining from 96% in 1901 to 64% in 2006 and those who did not state their religion or declared no religion rising from 2% to over 30% over the same period.

The majority (62%) of marriages in Australia are secular:

In 2007, 62.9 per cent of marriages were celebrated by civil celebrants. This was up from 61.4% in 2006, 56.6% in 2003, 49.5% in 1998 and 41.3% in 1988.

Not only is Australia a secular society, but its' not religious population is growing by an extraordinary rate.

Source is the Australian Bureau Of Statistics: http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....7?OpenDocument

[Sinarach]

Greek Orthodox culture fag.

[Stan Pennant]

If same sex marriage were legal in Australia, I’ve no doubt Pikios would marry his nearest reflection.

[Kale Monster]

Originally Posted by Sinarach

Greek Orthodox culture fag.

Table 6 and 7 from 3306.0.55.001 Marriages, Australia, 2007 for Southern and Eastern Europe:

Table 6, Male:

Country    Total   Religious   Civil	
Greece     221        109      112
Italy      414        129      285
Other      1,806      686      1,119
Total(c)   2,441      924      1,516

Table 7, Female:

Country    Total   Religious   Civil				
Greece     106         58      48
Italy      188         69      119
Other      2,044      733      1,309
Total(c)   2,338      860      1,476

Admittedly not a majority either way but it still supports my assertion that overall that Australia is moving away from religion, including immigrant cultures.

[Zaquis]

Originally Posted by Stan Pennant

If same sex marriage were legal in Australia, I’ve no doubt Pikios would marry his nearest reflection.

just emptyquote this forever

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Sinarach

My culture marries for religious reasons. You have no idea. Continue to wave your e-penis around some more.

too bad marriage exists outside of religion, is a cornestone of secular society, and country governments in the west tend to be secular. take your shitty culture's religion and its only contribution to society (grease) and shove them.

[Sinarach]

Grease?

[Kale Monster]

LIGHTNIN

[Sinarach]

Originally Posted by Andres

shitty culture's religion and its only contribution to society (grease) and shove them.

Now this is something. In order to be important you have to contribute to society. Sounds like dirty capitalistic talk to me. So much for everyone deserving equal rights and whatever bullshit you sprout off. And it only took you to be wrong once.

[Bobby Swisha]

GOD. ADRIAN. STOP ALREADY.

[Lord Blazer]

Originally Posted by Stan Pennant

If same sex marriage were legal in Australia, I’ve no doubt Pikios would marry his nearest reflection.

I am saddened that this got sandwiched between a pikios and cade post, because I missed it until Zach quoted it. Quote this.

[Sinarach]

Free tip guys. If you want women to fuck you, you are going to have to want to fuck yourself first.

[Rabid Dinosaur]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...aws/index.html

[Don Tickner]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan

The pro-campaign advertising was very misleading. They sold it as a parental issue, threatening that children would be forcibly taught things parents didn't want, etc. Scare tactics.

This tactic seems to run rampent in America, mostly for political reasons. I pitty you guys, really, I'd never turn on a TV or open a News Paper in your country.

Anyway, being a religious person, I'm against homosexuality outright - married or otherwise. However, having said that, it's simply not my fucking place to tell people what they can and can't do with their lives. It's not my place to judge - I'll leave that to the man up stairs.

If they want to get married - let them get married. When kids are brought in to it I'm kind of divided - love in a home is the most important thing, however gender roles learnt through up-brining determine a lot about kids behaviour. I'll leave that one to people who are better informed to make these kinds of decision; like old white men who run our countries and who, as kids, grew up throwing stones and sticks at these people while screaming faggot in their faces.

Just don't do it in a church, and we won't have a problem.

[Breed]

If a priest is willing to marry a gay couple in a church, this would genuinely bother you?

[Don Tickner]

Honestly, yes.
I find it rather insulting to be frank.

I don't go around saying "Ban Homosexuality" even though it's against my religeon, I'm happy for them to enjoy their life style choice as long as they don't start messing with my life style choice. In a word; Tolerance.

I don't want them coming to a place of holy worship. It's what we in the biz call an "abomonation". Not a good thing.

I'm happy to tolerate their choice and respect them as human beings as long as they are prepared to do the same. Two way streets, my friend.

[Kale Monster]

Originally Posted by Don Tickner

I'm happy to tolerate their choice and respect them as human beings as long as they are prepared to do the same. Two way streets, my friend.

blurrgh this is not a choice dude

[Aaron Haynes]

So it's not enough for them to not get married in your church -- they shouldn't get married in ANY church. Yes, that's very tolerant and respectful.

[Breed]

I don't agree with you, Don, but I do see where you're coming from, I guess

[Breed]

Can it be argued that all anti-gay sentiments originate from religion? I feel like nobody would give two shits unless it was 'against the word of God.'

[Apfigur]

Originally Posted by Don Tickner

When kids are brought in to it I'm kind of divided - love in a home is the most important thing, however gender roles learnt through up-brining determine a lot about kids behaviour.

What am I supposed to get from this? What could happen with a kid with two moms?

[Phil Williamson]

they'd obviously grow up gay themselves, just like how all children of straight parents grow up straight