Calling all drug users!

[Aaron Haynes]

It's not.

What Frankie was saying is hugely different by any standard, though.

[Demented Ferret]

Originally Posted by Orcus

Weird. I was told this by someone who took E a few times himself.

And I said "never be that happy" which is the same as "never be as happy". I've never personally experienced these things I'm just going off of what someone told me.

There are a lot of myths concerning drugs just as though there are myths concerning everything out there, the unfortunate thing is that people are not educated to a significant and non-biased (or even scientific) degree at a young age, and I'm not surprised that you'd believe something so outlandish.

That's not a jab at you or anything, I'm just personally appalled at the level of lies and misinformation that is spread around by the hands of programs like D.A.R.E.

[Aaron Haynes]

I don't think it's that outlandish. That's why there are junkies for drugs like heroin and crack, because some people get so attached to that feeling that they have to feel it again and again, as often as possible. It's not going to happen to everyone, but there are people with psychological profiles that make them predisposed to it.

I had a friend who had never done drugs in his life, but slid almost immediately from weed to coke to crack when I smoked up with him once or twice. Something about his personality just made him completely magnetize to it. Within a month I cut off all ties to him. I heard about a year later that he was arrested for trying to sell crack to an undercover cop. That doesn't mean it's the norm for everybody or even a majority of people, but it does happen.

[Allergic 2 Life]

Ive done my fair share of drugs, i never got hooked. I blaze every weekend and never pay for it. I do a lot of shrooms and burn during the summer though.

[Pizza The Hut]

Originally Posted by Aaron Haynes

It's not.

What Frankie was saying is hugely different by any standard, though.

Damn, I don't think I saw that thread/realized he was that bad.

[Bravoie]

Originally Posted by Cubert

...Am I the only one having trouble understanding what any of this means?

I think they're really high or something.

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Sean McGarvey

Do you even know what Serotonin is?

Are you retarded? Maybe you should read up some more on serotonin and average levels of happiness of drug users' lives in comparison to the average person, and then you can come back to me and argue for that same ridiculous point. At least take it into consideration before making such bold statements, thanks!

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Orcus

I make senses in the fact that it can get you in a dangerously euphoric state, so technically he is right.

I really doubt that me meant constantly using heroin to induce dangerously euphoric state. If we're comparing extremes, maybe mania would be fun to take into consideration too

[Notch Johnson]

well obviously becoming addicted to heroin isn't going to end well.

but when you're on heroin....why exactly do you think people do drugs?

[Bravoie]

Originally Posted by Brimz

Are you retarded? Maybe you should read up some more on serotonin and average levels of happiness of drug users' lives in comparison to the average person, and then you can come back to me and argue for that same ridiculous point. At least take it into consideration before making such bold statements, thanks!

I'm pretty sure they were talking about the mind state you have while you're on heroin as compared to being sober.

[Brimz]

Obviously, due to my drug-virgin mind, I will never be able to experience levels of happiness as much as you! Clearly you are the superior human being.

I've had happy moments in my life. Can you really argue that any of them would have been better if I had been stoned as well? If you can't apply that logic, then your argument is moot.

(and if you can apply that logic, hope you have fun at your wedding stoned)

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Brandon Savoie

I'm pretty sure they were talking about the mind state you have while you're on heroin as compared to being sober.

Yeah, and my post was responding to that. I refuse to agree that one can achieve some eternal bliss, unrecognizable to those who haven't experienced it, just by taking a hit. I can't see how that's problematic thinking, the concept is illogical to me.

[Shawn McGravy]

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[Bravoie]

Originally Posted by Brimz

Yeah, and my post was responding to that. I refuse to agree that one can achieve some eternal bliss, unrecognizable to those who haven't experienced it, just by taking a hit. I can't see how that's problematic thinking, the concept is illogical to me.

He wasn't comparing people's LIVES though, just how much better you feel while you're on heroin. I haven't tried heroin, but I'm not denying it would give me a feeling unlike ANYTHING I've ever felt while I'm sober. You just can't achieve that same feeling sober, it's fucking impossible. Jesus.

[Shawn McGravy]

Originally Posted by Brimz

Are you retarded? Maybe you should read up some more on serotonin and average levels of happiness of drug users' lives in comparison to the average person, and then you can come back to me and argue for that same ridiculous point. At least take it into consideration before making such bold statements, thanks!

Nobody is making an argument that drugs make you a better person you arrogant twat. The point is that a number of drugs create these unnatural chemical reactions while INTOXICATED, and when INTOXICATED with heroin you're likely to feel better than you ever had in your whole life. until your body builds up a tolerance to it and addiction kills you of course

You're confusing psychological effects of things like entheogens to common street shit that is synthesized for the sole purpose of making you feel good.

Kill yourself.

[Brimz]

You won't feel better INTOXICATED than you ever have in your whole life. Unless you've had a really shitty life, and yeah, sucks to be you then. I don't know if you realize, but the drugs don't produce chemical reactions for serotonin. Most block re-uptake into synapses or have a similar effect because their structures are so similar to that of serotonin; the euphoria you get is from serotonin remaining there, prolonging the effect. Serotonin is released naturally and can be just as intense as being intoxicated.

(by the way your post is very colorful, "kill yourself" is quite original and I commend you on that)

[Jesterfoot]

Originally Posted by Brimz

the concept is illogical to me.

Think of your brain in terms of biology.

Your brain produces chemicals to control your mood/state of mind. Drugs contain chemicals that change your mood/state of mind.

Is it really that hard to believe that artificial chemicals designed to put you into into a state of extreme euphoria are more efficient in doing so than natural chemicals that weren't even intended to do that?

c'mon now

[Brimz]

What do you mean when you say 'extreme euphoria'?

And no, not all drugs are artificial chemicals designed to do that. For certain drugs it's simply a matter of increasing serotonin levels leading to a mild euphoria

[Jesterfoot]

Originally Posted by Brimz

What do you mean when you say 'extreme euphoria'?

[Brimz]

How EXTREME? A sense of euphoria the average drug user gets each time? Once in a lifetime? I'm sure sober people have shown levels of happiness as indicated in your picture before..

[Slime]

Brimz. When you are fucking stoned on something like heroin, you feel more completely euphoric than you do when not stoned. It IS more extreme than you can typically get from normal life. There's a limit to how euphoric you can feel naturally. Drugs can push past that limit.

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Lohr

It IS more extreme than you can typically get from normal life. There's a limit to how euphoric you can feel naturally.

Those statements contradict each other man. You're saying it is possible for any individual to receive a state of euphoria equivalent to heroin sometimes in their lives, and then furthering your argument by stating that there's a limit on natural euphoria.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

I was being challenged by the idea that because I of some notion that because I don't want to know what enlightenment is that I should remain ignorant. I don't think that the lack of desire to try drugs is ignorant.

Originally Posted by Cubert

...Am I the only one having trouble understanding what any of this means?

Originally Posted by Orcus

Probabaly. I don't get what's so hard about saying that taking certain drugs .....

Hahaha wrong end of the stick, man. I was talking about the crude english.

[Space Goat]

Originally Posted by Aaron Haynes

I had a friend who had never done drugs in his life, but slid almost immediately from weed to coke to crack when I smoked up with him once or twice. Something about his personality just made him completely magnetize to it. Within a month I cut off all ties to him. I heard about a year later that he was arrested for trying to sell crack to an undercover cop.

SPOILER ALERT!

His name was Wravis Tells.

[Aaron Haynes]

Nah, the internet was his drug.