Calling all drug users!

[Demented Ferret]

Originally Posted by Jesterfoot

genius

Thanks for typing that dude, that's bang on the money and pretty much exactly what I have to say except I was trying to find a good way to say it.

Edit:

Though I have to say:

Originally Posted by Jesterfoot

I'd go as far to say that the old man who's done every drug throughout his life has a larger collection of experiences than the other two.

I don't completely agree with that, it depends on your definition of "experiences" though.

[Jesterfoot]

well yeah, that statement is pretty bold. But what I'm trying to say is that I think changing your state of mind is often more profound than changing your surroundings.

[Jesterfoot]

btw once when I was high I gave myself an orgasm with my thoughts alone

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

Then Cubert should be under as much scrutiny as I; he's played that card all throughout this topic.

he's not the guy trying to make people seem dumb because they take drugs and you don't. "SO YOU SAY SMOKING IS ALL ROSEY THEN??>" "SO WHEN MY UNCLE SAW BIRDS FLY OUT OF HIS NOSE HAS HE GAINED ELIGHTENMENT?"

who has that line of thinking? i mean really.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

Then Cubert should be under as much scrutiny as I; he's played that card all throughout this topic.

shut the fuck up

[Shawn McGravy]

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[Brimz]

I agree with all of Jesterfoot's post except that people should be able to see it as having "a better life", just because I don't agree that manipulating one's body for self-exploration has such an impact on one's life as much larger experiences (like the traveling analogy). Although, that can simply be dependent on the person, so yeah. Drug abusers and drug users that have some sense of superiority are basically the main issues I have with regards to drug usage.

[NearHi]

I never said that anyone here was dumb. I gave my reason for not exploring drugs and my opinions on smoking never once did I say "You are a damned idiot."
You may think I did because of my sarcastic comments but thats because I was being challenged by the idea that because I of some notion that because I don't want to know what enlightenment is that I should remain ignorant. I don't think that the lack of desire to try drugs is ignorant. I was also explaining that some of these great feelings that drugs seem to give also seem to be ones that I have naturally; they may not be the same, but I really can't see me only being truley happy only via drugs.

And smoking tobacco is straight up nasty, that's why I voiced that even once it's not "Sunshine and roses." It's gross. Each time. Always.

And the sex analogy: No. Sex is built into us for human longevity and survival. Sex is a NEED not a desire. There is a desire in us to fulfill the need. Chemical highs are not NEEDED for neither happiness nor longevity.

[Jesterfoot]

You didn't get my obvious point

[Notch Johnson]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

I was also explaining that some of these great feelings that drugs seem to give also seem to be ones that I have naturally

lol.

come on. yes, you can be very happy and content without drugs. i definitely am. right now. but no, you cannot be as happy and content sober as you would be on heroin. i'm sorry.

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Miles Johnson

come on. yes, you can be very happy and content without drugs. i definitely am. right now. but no, you cannot be as happy and content sober as you would be on heroin. i'm sorry.

If you're actually being genuine when you make this statement, you're dumb as shit.

[Orcus]

I make senses in the fact that it can get you in a dangerously euphoric state, so technically he is right.

[Shawn McGravy]

Originally Posted by Brimz

If you're actually being genuine when you make this statement, you're dumb as shit.

Do you even know what Serotonin is?

[Brossy]

I had to stop reading all the arguing, I'll read it later. I was running out of time and wanted to reply.

I drink, a lot. Maybe not as much as I used to, because it's not really as novel anymore. But basically, I like the taste of a lot of alcohol, and getting drunk is fun. When in a social situation, it loosens you up, you speak more openly and freely. You're never really nervous when you're drunk.

A lot of weekends I spend drinking at home with my fiance, and a couple of friends and my brother. Basically, it's just for entertainment. We run out of shit to do! We are in my loungeroom, and we watch dvds and play the xbox and stuff, but when you drink, it makes it more entertaining. And you don't need to be entertained by things. Like, a movie will finish, and it may be an hour of just talking and laughing or whatever before we do anything else.

Basically, it's just fun. Obviously, it can be not fun too, when you drink too much, but that just comes through experience and self control. Throwing up isn't fun, hangovers aren't fun, but they can both be avoided if you don't over do it.

I wouldn't like to stop drinking, or be told I'm not aloud to drink anymore, but only because it would be like being stripped of a form of entertainment. It would like your favourite tv show being cancelled, or you not being able to play games anymore etc. I see it as an entertainment medium, just something else that I can do for fun.

To that end, I wanna try weed. I'm not crazy about smoking it, but maybe in muffins or cookies or something. So many people do it, I wanna at least see what the fuss is about. It seems less harmfull in every way than alcohol, so yeah I wanna get around to trying it.

[Notch Johnson]

Originally Posted by Brimz

If you're actually being genuine when you make this statement, you're dumb as shit.

jesus.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Orcus

I make senses in the fact that it can get you in a dangerously euphoric state, so technically he is right.

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

You may think I did because of my sarcastic comments but thats because I was being challenged by the idea that because I of some notion that because I don't want to know what enlightenment is that I should remain ignorant.

...Am I the only one having trouble understanding what any of this means?

[Compcat]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

And smoking tobacco is straight up nasty, that's why I voiced that even once it's not "Sunshine and roses." It's gross. Each time. Always.

I think it actually smells pretty good.

[Michael Jeffrey]

I typically drag on with drug talk, anyone who remembers Frankie's anti drug thread might recall me droning on, I'll try and keep my thoughts brief.

Smoked pot for the first time in year 11 (2002), tried it a few times til the end of school, every few months or so, as it's not an easy drug to get in rural west australia. However I found myself thinking about it alot during the absences without it. The best way I can think of describing how I felt at the time, is that I found myself getting angry and frustrated alot (before I tried pot), generally I would have no perspective on things, but while smoking pot my way of thinking changed, I could tolerate bad things happening much easier, stressful uni assignments almost became fun. Not to mention the experience of playing or listening to music, eating, sport, video games, the list was endless. By the end of high school I had a very, very romatic image of smoking pot, to say the least.

I move to the city (2004), due to my now mostly-stoner circle of friends pot is easy to get. Over the next year or so my usage level plateau's at about a gram a day ($30 a bag, quite expensive). In 2005 we took a trip to Melbourne, and that's when I properly realised I was addicted to pot and couldn't quit. All the things I loved about pot became my enemies, without pot I couldn't sleep, eat, enjoy anything or even keep a stable disposition, very frequently get angry and frustrated at tiny things. As the years kinda rolled on I found pot started to have barely enough strength to keep me at a 'normal level', let alone the rich, fun experience I remember when I started.

As of about 2 months ago I started drug conselling, although it hasn't really achieved much I go just to keep the thought of quitting fresh in my head. Moving back home on Saturday and I'm going on a 4 week detox to rid myself of the addiction, at which point I will re-evalute very seriously if I want to keep smoking any amount of pot.

Which might seem crazy, after everything I said you might think it logical I'd put as much distance between myself and a bong as I could. But I honestly don't want to completely rid myself of the experience for the rest of my life. I can only hope after what I've learnt being addicted to pot, if I did decide to start again I would have the sense to be very moderate. I won't make that decision while I'm still addicted, though.

As much as Bryce feels the way he can enjoy life the most is by not taking drugs, I don't share the view. This is not to say I can't enjoy life without drugs, it is merely saying that I like how taking drugs has affected parts of how I think. I don't think however that the 2 views are mutually exclusive as we are both different people.

I've tried quite a few different drugs, not something really to boast about as I have done some ridiculously stupid drugs and in stupid ways, but through trying all these drugs (alcohol and cigs included) pot was the only one that appealed to me, I assume I must have a personality that is strongly drawn to that particular experience, while others tell me the same experiences are horrible (my older sister absolutely hated pot, my older brother not so much). To argue about what a drug experience means to the average 'person' is crazy since the drug experience is intensely relative. I say try things once with as much knowledge and caution as you can, because it truly is a mind expanding experience, but for god's sake don't indulge because you can't make life always fun with any amount of drugs.

Wish me luck peeps!

[Notch Johnson]

i have to say i was in a similar position. i used to smoke bud pretty much every day. and i guess you could say i was psychologically addicted to it, as i got to the point where it was tough for me to even do school work with out smoking.

but about two months ago i got a DUI (alcohol) and decided to change my life for the better. haven't smoked bud or drank since. and like, it's not too hard. the hardest part about it is when i'm around people who are smoking and drinking...so if you really want to get serious, you just have to distance yourself from those people for a while, until the psychological pressure dies down.

but now i seriously feel great. don't underestimate what a good diet and exercise can do for your dopamine levels. i just started eating better (which basically means no fast food, no sodas, and lots of fruit and turkey burgers which are delicious), and riding my bike and going to the gym, and i feel really really good. and i take comfort in the fact that i don't have all these chemicals in my system anymore.

good luck. just remember that bud isn't very habit forming on it's own. it's mostly because if you make a daily routine of it...it gets reinforced in your brain as just that, a daily routine. try to find something else to do during the day, during times that you would normally be smoking. exercise, i'm telling you.

[Orcus]

Originally Posted by Cubert

...Am I the only one having trouble understanding what any of this means?

Probabaly. I don't get what's so hard about saying that taking certain drugs can put you into an incredible happy state of mind, a state which can not be reached in a sober mental state no matter how hard you tried. Some people realize that once they experience that state they will no longer be that happy for the rest of their lives since it was a drug induced state. Ecstasy is notorious for doing this.

[Demented Ferret]

Originally Posted by Orcus

Some people realize that once they experience that state they will no longer be that happy for the rest of their lives since it was a drug induced state.

Uhhm, who and where have you heard this? I've never come across this phenomenon before and I'm not really sure where you've got it from. "Never be happy for the rest of their lives"? Do you know how bizarre that sounds?

Originally Posted by Orcus

Ecstasy is notorious for doing this.

This too, I've never heard of ANYONE taking ecstasy and never being able to achieve happiness for the rest of their lives, they may feel little down for a few hours or days after use, but that's about it.

I just want to point out here that I've been studying neuropsychopharmacology along with pharmacodynamics/cokinetics over the last few years alongside my University course and hope to continue my studies into the professional world, I'm really passionate about it, so if anyone has anything to ask about drugs/medicines, technical as you like - I should be able to shed some light for you.

[Phil Williamson]

Orcus is sounding kinda like Frankie Weindel here...

[Pizza The Hut]

To be fair, he did say THAT happy, as in that amount of extreme happiness.

[Aaron Haynes]

Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

Uhhm, who and where have you heard this? I've never come across this phenomenon before and I'm not really sure where you've got it from. "Never be happy for the rest of their lives"? Do you know how bizarre that sounds?

I'm pretty sure he meant "never be as happy", which is definitely true of some people.

[Orcus]

Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

This too, I've never heard of ANYONE taking ecstasy and never being able to achieve happiness for the rest of their lives, they may feel little down for a few hours or days after use, but that's about it.

Weird. I was told this by someone who took E a few times himself.

And I said "never be that happy" which is the same as "never be as happy". I've never personally experienced these things I'm just going off of what someone told me.

Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

Orcus is sounding kinda like Frankie Weindel here...

I need clarification. Doesn't sound like a good thing.