Calling all drug users!

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Miles Johnson

think about it like this. your sober mind looks at a three-dimensional object from a single angle. you take the drug, and you see the object rotated 15 degrees clockwise. when the drug wears off, you're back to looking at the object from the straight-on angle, but you now have a greater sense of it's depth and shape. that's what acid and shrooms do to your view of reality.

typical stoner logic. it's different for everyone and based on experience I can safely say everyone is better off just keeping away. Smoking pot is ok seldomly but it can quickly become a costly habit if you're stupid about it. Yes.. and the fifteen year old girl who trips on mushrooms and pukes her guts out all night because she thought it was like smoking weed will be seeing herself from a different angle, I'm sure.

[NearHi]

Originally Posted by Cubert

Miles is wrong in saying his life is better just because he takes drugs, but at the same time Farlow is dead wrong in saying his "sunny dispotition = as much fun as an opiate".

People wouldn't do drugs ever if it was actually possible to re-create the effects by being jolly a lot of the time. That's retarded.

You love putting words in peoples mouths.

[Allergic 2 Life]

[Notch Johnson]

Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

Stop being an elitist asshole, Miles. Taking drugs doesn't make you a better person, more right, more knowledged or more awesome than people who decide not to.

hallucinogens give you enhanced objectivity. just like reading books and traveling will enhance your understanding of the world, altering the chemical construct of your brain gives you a better understanding of how reality is mediated by your ego.

i'm sorry if this comes off as STONAR PSYCHO BABBLE.

Originally Posted by Shaun

and the fifteen year old girl who trips on mushrooms and pukes her guts out all night because she thought it was like smoking weed will be seeing herself from a different angle, I'm sure.

she'll repress the hell out of it, and it'll probably lay dormant in her unconscious for a long time, but yeah.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

You love putting words in peoples mouths.

Oooh- Look at me, I'm Bryce Farlow!

[Raz]

i've had mushrooms, it was good but i don't feel as if i have some greater understanding of my perception because of it. it was just an interesting experience.

[Notch Johnson]

and okay, i get it. it's not that you automatically gain some new insight into the universe. but if you take the time to reflect on your experience and compare it to sober thought, and other experiences you may have had, and just really think deeply about it, then it can.

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Miles Johnson

she'll repress the hell out of it, and it'll probably lay dormant in her unconscious for a long time, but yeah.

okay mr. freud

[Shaun]

my cousin OD'ed yesterday I hadn't seen him in like 3 years, but yeah.

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Miles Johnson

and okay, i get it. it's not that you automatically gain some new insight into the universe. but if you take the time to reflect on your experience and compare it to sober thought, and other experiences you may have had, and just really think deeply about it, then it can.

I was agreeing with you first that it would make for an interesting experience, but I definitely don't agree with this. I honestly don't feel like I'm LACKING insight that I could potentially gain through opiates according to you, why try to justify trying it when I then have to deprive myself of it again. It's alright for some people, but you know the cliché "too much of a good thing" kinda falls in place here. From what you've described, without being able to see that insight when sober makes you seemingly frustrated too - so why the hell is that a reason to expose myself to that?

I'm sure it's a fun experience, but the idea that your entire life is enriched by trying hallucinogens a few times really doesn't pull through for me. And yeah, I'm sensing some kind of elitist vibe from you. When you say "ignorant", that's hardly being fair and logical in your argument. It's like a guy running up to you and showing you all kinds of marks from cutting, then telling you "yeah, it's probably better to stay ignorant to the pain release cause it's too addicting" when you refuse to try cutting yourself as well. Obviously that's more plainly wrong (to most people) but that's the attitude you have here.

[Demented Ferret]

Originally Posted by Miles Johnson

hallucinogens give you enhanced objectivity. just like reading books and traveling will enhance your understanding of the world, altering the chemical construct of your brain gives you a better understanding of how reality is mediated by your ego.

I'm not really debating whether that's true or not and I certainly don't mind stoner babble, I just had an issue with you high-horsing Bryce (and other non-drug users along with it) in the way that you did, stuff like "feeling good" and "being content" isn't some sort of competition.

[Allergic 2 Life]

Originally Posted by Shaun

my cousin OD'ed yesterday I hadn't seen him in like 3 years, but yeah.

[Brimz]

People who use hallucinogens regularly are bound to have the same levels of happiness as non-drug users. Anybody who has taken psychology courses will know about the adaptation-level principle, in which people who are better off than others will still feel the same average levels of happiness as poorer individuals (assuming basic needs are being met).

[Notch Johnson]

Originally Posted by Brimz

I was agreeing with you first that it would make for an interesting experience, but I definitely don't agree with this. I honestly don't feel like I'm LACKING insight that I could potentially gain through opiates according to you, why try to justify trying it when I then have to deprive myself of it again.

wait waitwaitwaitWAIT. not opiates. hallucinogens.

no, there's definitely no insight you're gonna get from taking opiates. they just make you feel good.

[Brimz]

Shit, I meant to say hallucinogens

[Demented Ferret]

Haha, well that clears a lot up, I was getting quite confused.

[NearHi]

So when by uncle was so sick that he hallucinated seeing birds flying out of his mouth he gained insight on life?

[Raz]

christ almighty what the fuck is wrong with you

[Brimz]

Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

Haha, well that clears a lot up, I was getting quite confused.

I was reading a lot about opiates yesterday for one of my courses, and I guess it kinda worked its way into my train of thought.

[Demented Ferret]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

So when by uncle was so sick that he hallucinated seeing birds flying out of his mouth he gained insight on life?

Ok, that's not how it works at all - the visuals one would see while taking hallucinogens are nothing like hallucinations people have from illnesses, medication side-effects or neurological disorders.

In addition to this, the type of people who take hallucinogens feel they want different perspective into conciousness and their perception of reality, of course they'll feel as though they've gained an insight in doing so.

[NearHi]

But the illness altered the chemical balance in his mind and according to Miles, when you do that, you gain EXP or something and you understand more of the universe.

[Raz]

it's impossible to reason with someone who keeps making dumb assumptions in every post.

[NearHi]

Then Cubert should be under as much scrutiny as I; he's played that card all throughout this topic.

[Demented Ferret]

Originally Posted by Bryce Farlow

But the illness altered the chemical balance in his mind and according to Miles, when you do that, you gain EXP or something and you understand more of the universe.

I think what Miles should be saying, is that he felt as though he learnt a lot from his experiences with hallucinogens, I've been prodding him a bit to make sure he phrases things correctly because otherwise it seems as though he's presenting fact rather than his experiences and opinions.

[Jesterfoot]

to put it simply:

"in my never ending quest for knowledge", I do drugs.

I've only done weed, though I plan try do a bunch more drugs once I get into a stable position where I won't have to worry about drugs messing up my future. But Miles' "3d object metaphor" is right on. I often feel like a genius when I'm high, for example I could be writing a story and reach a point where no matter how hard I think, I'll just draw blanks. Then I'll take a few hits and INSTANTLY find the answer.

If you're the type who thinks that an old man who's traveled to every country, experienced their different cultures [and learned more about himself because of those experiences], has had a better life than an old man who only knows his home town and who's buddies are the same people he met in kindergarden, then yes, drugs will give you a better life. It's the same concept, just internal. Instead of the world changing, You change, giving you new experiences. And I'd go as far to say that the old man who's done every drug throughout his life has a larger collection of experiences than the other two.

People who haven't done drugs, don't understand it, and end up usually seeing it as an escape from reality into a less real but tolerable reality. But most who know the experience know that's not the case, and only disagree with drug abuse.

If I was never aware or sexual pleasure I might say "What's so good about sex? Putting your penis in a vagina over and over and over? Doesn't that get boring? How can that be fun?! I'll pass."

And those who are sexually active would give me the same reaction, drug users are giving to you. There's no logic in trying to satisfy such a curiousity by asking people about it over the internet. It's something you have to experience to understand. To those who don't give a shit about drugs, I'd say that's cool don't try them. But you've probably made more threads about them than most drug users here.