A Town Called Malice

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

Hahaha, I'm sorry everyone here but I'm totally on Cubert's side. I can understand the protection of Dask, Gelst, etc. But plauge people/zombies?

Also, I can understand if you were still creating the series, but you aren't - so why should you care at all, you're protecting something that doesn't matter anymore, so the models being used aren't having a negative effect at all unless you think there are crowds of people out there who still haven't seen your movie.

On top of that, this is about 2 models that you're hoarding - I released about 300 individually retextured, reformatted, rescaled and some from complete scratch models/textures. THAT is a lot of fucking work, two models aren't (in comparison) - and I encouraged the use of them. If I don't give a crap what people use MONTHS of work for, you should get upset over whatever you did.

On the whole, Cubert may be the new guy - but that doesn't give the right to try to verbally rape him over a minor mistake.

Damn, they stopped making Medieval Travels?! Then yeah, what was the big deal. Ah well.

The battle pack is like the best mod ever by the way. Thanks so much for making that. I'll resist the temptation to labout the fact you shared that mod as well, the point has been made, I'll quit while I'm ahead (ish).

[Getysburg]

The point is that cubert read the message in the film, ignored it and began making movies with them, then me and Buz in another thread reminded people about them not being free to use

Posted: 06-05-06, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Buzvonlurt

We specifically stated that these models are for the Travels series only.

In which Cubert then replied

Posted: 06-06-06, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cubert

*looks at feet, shuffles awkwardly*

BUT, still went on to complete and release them two days later! I would cut him slack if he had never read the messages, hell even if he were to release it without reading and replying to that thread, but the two combined is too far . And now on top of this he is purposlly aggravating what little patience we have left by hiding behind you guys who accept this sort of behavouir.

Further to Ferret. Considering I have made it known to be making a expansion pack of modern dead edits for everyone to enjoy (as it is obvious medieval plague victims can fit into very few films genres) he could have at least waited, or even used the expansions relesed in the DVD issue. I think it is still perfectly acceptable to reserve the right to these models especially when we are being nice to people by making them better models in return. All we asked was for them to honour our trust, but no it was broken.

Cubert how could you knowingly do this? How old are you? Surely you have grown enough to develop basic ideas of loyalty and socialisation, however it is clear you have not even grasped the basic understandings of these and have stunted yourself as a human being.

[Tuna Hematoma]

It's like back in the day when there were "exclusive movies" to certain 3dmm sites and then some other site hosting the movie. The people who created it requested that it only be on certain sites... people don't have to comply, but that's kind of POOPYHEAD like.

[Ned]

I remember when Fred Arnoy released Canine Caper on Explode Productions, saying that Tony and I had requested him to do so. I was like "Huh? Um, no we didn't, but whatever." We were loyal to Dragon Films, and here comes some European punk "stealing" our movies and putting words in our mouths... lol.

[Will B-R]

Wasn't v3Dmm designed not to be locked so anyone could take anything and use it?

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Getysburg

The point is that cubert read the message in the film, ignored it and began making movies with them, then me and Buz in another thread reminded people about them not being free to use

Posted: 06-05-06, 04:50 PM


In which Cubert then replied

Posted: 06-06-06, 03:36 PM


BUT, still went on to complete and release them two days later! I would cut him slack if he had never read the messages, hell even if he were to release it without reading and replying to that thread, but the two combined is too far . And now on top of this he is purposlly aggravating what little patience we have left by hiding behind you guys who accept this sort of behavouir.

Further to Ferret. Considering I have made it known to be making a expansion pack of modern dead edits for everyone to enjoy (as it is obvious medieval plague victims can fit into very few films genres) he could have at least waited, or even used the expansions relesed in the DVD issue. I think it is still perfectly acceptable to reserve the right to these models especially when we are being nice to people by making them better models in return. All we asked was for them to honour our trust, but no it was broken.

Cubert how could you knowingly do this? How old are you? Surely you have grown enough to develop basic ideas of loyalty and socialisation, however it is clear you have not even grasped the basic understandings of these and have stunted yourself as a human being.

You ask how old I am, as if I am the one being immature. I'm not slitting my wrists over a v3dmm expansion, for christ's sake. England won the match today, it's sunny in England for the first time since whenever, and you'll never be this young again. Let it go, Gety. (Insert lame-as-hell "Gety a life" joke here....erm). If it helps, I only put the deadedits in as a stop-filler, something to animated around before replacing with my own skins. I just never bothered replacing them, they fit a lot better than I thought they would. It's not the end of the world. And I wasn't part of the community when I started, I didn't know you were making a modern pack of deadedits. Maybe I would have waited, who knows. But that's not important, and neither is the fact I used your "precious" skins a little bit.

And as for purposely aggravating, you flatter yourself, Gety. I'm just defending myself. After all I don't think I did anything wrong.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Will B-R

Wasn't v3Dmm designed not to be locked so anyone could take anything and use it?

My point exactly. v3dmm is so great becuase together the community can develop, as one person finds a new innovasion it is shared, and we can all use this new method. And togtether we develop, sharing ideas all the way. Again, that may sound very OTT and melodramatic, but it is true.

[Ned]

Originally Posted by Will B-R

Wasn't v3Dmm designed not to be locked so anyone could take anything and use it?

In my mind it's not a matter of "can" you, it's a matter of "should" you. Yeah, for the most part, expansions like the ones that Pirate Balloon has been uploading -- weapons, etc. -- are definitely intended for public use. If you release a mod, you expect others to use it. But when someone makes a set of expansions that were specifically intended for only his or her movie(s), it's rude to disregard their explicitly-stated wishes and use it in your own. However, Cubert has just said that he intends to replace them later with his own expansions, and that he wasn't even in the community when he made the movie, so... yeah.

[Will B-R]

But if Travis intended everything to be open it is also rude of them to ask people not to use their creations.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Ned Carlson

In my mind it's not a matter of "can" you, it's a matter of "should" you. Yeah, for the most part, expansions like the ones that Pirate Balloon has been uploading -- weapons, etc. -- are definitely intended for public use. If you release a mod, you expect others to use it. But when someone makes a set of expansions that were specifically intended for only his or her movie(s), it's rude to disregard their explicitly-stated wishes and use it in your own. However, Cubert has just said that he intends to replace them later with his own expansions, and that he wasn't even in the community when he made the movie, so... yeah.

Originally Posted by Will B-R

But if Travis intended everything to be open it is also rude of them to ask people not to use their creations.

Okay, there are arguements to suggest both sides have been rude. Yes, ignoring the request of Gety and Buz could be percieved as rude of me, but the deadedits were onyl initially put in as a "temporary", but I kept animating and putting off making my own skins, eventually deciding just to stick with dead edits for a while. You'll notice towards the end of episode 2 the number of deadedits quickly thins out, and I can assure everyone episodes 3 and onwards were never going to and never will contain deadedits, since I eventually asked a friend to make some zombie skins which you can see start to appear in episode 2. Maybe if Gety and Buz watched the films a little closer...

I still stand by my post, v3dmm is designed for file sharing. Surely Travis could easily have written the expansions files into the actual code of each film, thus "locking" them in, if he wanted to. I like to think Travis had the choice of "locking" v3dmm but instead designed it with the community in mind and gave us all the opportunity to share.

I'd like to point out I was not the one who started this. All I did was use expansions not made by me, which surely everyone does and is completely accepted. I was not the one to start something new, to try and change the rules of how expansions are to be used.

[Will B-R]

When Travis was working on v3Dmm there was a topic about it. The outcome was as this thread shows an open format to some degree.

[Cubert]

Is that thread stored in classics? Or still open somewhere. I'd like to get some kind of "closure" (for want of a better word) on this subject.

Or at least some reference.

[Will B-R]

You can try looking for it if you really want. It wouldn't be easy to find though.

At the end of the day it doesn't change that fact you didn't respect their request and the fact they didn't respect someone else's design philosophy is irellivant.

[Cubert]

Not sure how you can say it's irrelevant, but I am prepared to drop the subject now, it has gone on long enough. I'll realise my luck at 38 replies to a first film. Maybe one day I'll get around to replacing the deadedits with my own skins, but that's certainly not going to be in the near future.

[Domicile Destructo]

I'm going to download this movie, zombies flicks always entertain me.

[Domicile Destructo]

...except this one...


ehh, it was kinda cool actually, but obviously you didn't do that whole thing with 3DMM... did you?

Anyways... I'd say 3/5.

[Cubert]

Originally Posted by Cubert

It's not in .v3dmm format. I'd screen record it, then filter it through Windows Movie Maker and other video editing programs to give it a very messy (deliberate), shaky and unstable feel. Anyone who's seen any experimental or the average university student film will know what to expect...

[Cubert]

[quote=Domicile Destructo]...except this one...[quote]

If the distinct lack of death was a dissapointment, don't worry, episode 3 is basically guns and chainsaws all the way. But don't expect #3 for a while yet.

[Cubert]

Yes I fucked up the quote, somebody yell at me for that.

[Molotov]

Or you could edit it.

[Cubert]

I was joking, refering to my rather "rocky" entrance to 3dmm.com

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Buzvonlurt

Fuck this shit. I've been boiling upto this now. But I'm fucking ashamed of this community. All these expansions have ruined movies, and no-one can make a movie anymore without having to blow peoples minds with effects and new expansions. It's ruined this community in terms of film making. And frankly, all these newbie wankers have no concept of grammar or respect. Cubert, you ARE a cunt for doing this. We may be overreacting, but only because we spent so fucking long on these models that to use them out of context and time period is just fucking idiotic.

You didn't ask permission, you soiled the whole point of these models, even after the thread in which we stated they were not for use, you STILL go ahead and release the movie. Are you retarded? For fear of losing all respect for the program, I'm not going to watch this. But I really hope you become another "Underated" director, spewing out endless crap with your v3dmm exploration.

Somebody just fucking ban me so I dont have to express my angst at this fucking community anymore. Please.

STFU.

[Will B-R]

Also if you think about it pretty much every movie made with 3Dmm has something 'borrowed' from somewhere else.

Concept, sound, music.

[Andres]

World of fucking difference.

[Will B-R]

Not that much.