Rape.

Demented Ferret · 04-02-2006, 01:29 PM

Now, there's something that's really getting to me now, and that's the completely obvious sexist mindset the governement has taken in relation to the new legislation (or rather, ammended/re-emphasised legislation) they've hammered into place as of recent: that you must get a definite 'yes' before you have sex, otherwise categorically it is rape.

Now, who is to ask the question; why is the guy always said to be the person ENGAGING in the act of sex? I have known many stories of guys who have woken up next to ugly girls, or even waking up to fat hambeasts doing God-knows-what, but I bet the law says that you:

1. Couldn't get her 'done' for rape in such a situation.

2. She could get you 'done' for rape in such a situation.

Secondly, there is bound to be the psychobitch who will use the one time when consent wasn't requested in order to get her Ex-boyfriend banged up for a couple of years.

I'm aware that it does help protect vunerable, drunk women - and for that it's very helpful, I'm sure - but in turn it also means that if a guy is 'lead-on' by a girl to an INTENSE degree and she seems happy with everything at the time but no verbal mutual agreement is created, that guy could end up being labelled a RAPIST for the rest of his life if the girl doesn't admit that she did something stupid.

Anyone else have any opinions on this or other related issues (statutory rape, lololl)?

James Burgon · 04-02-2006, 01:33 PM

I agree, I know loads of girls who could use it as revenge. It's terrible to think it but it's a dumb law. People make mistakes and they should deal with it.

Klown · 04-02-2006, 03:01 PM

The best moment ever was on BBC news a few days ago. This woman was really defending these strengthened rape laws saying "IF YOU DO NOT SAY IN EXPLICIT TERMS ' YES I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCORSE WITH YOU' IT IS RAPE. IF THEY ARE EVEN A LITTLE DRUNK: IT IS RAPE" and the newscaster was just staring at her. But then she really let a brilliant comment slip. When she was going back into rant mode she said "Lets face it, sex is embarrasing and it's an uncomfortable situation to talk about to anybody". I think the silence in the studio lasted for about 5 seconds.

Demented Ferret · 04-02-2006, 03:47 PM

Hahahaha.

Lyntan · 04-02-2006, 08:50 PM

Laws on all sexual misconduct are too strong tbh. Rape is often viewed as being on a par with murder, which is ridiculous. This might sound insensitive, but girls who break down and claim that their lives are ruined, just 'cause they got cocked without giving consent, should fuck off and get over it.

Aggressive rape should be punished heavily, but not that much more heavily than other aggressive crimes like they are atm. Afaik rape gets a heavier punishment than GBH, which I strongly oppose. If a guy gets drunk and forces himself upon a girl that's already acted like she was up for it, or whatever, he doesn't deserve the years in jail that he'd get under the current law.

Klown · 04-02-2006, 10:10 PM

Oh for fucks sake.

Crazy Ivan · 04-02-2006, 10:44 PM

This is why all sexual acts should be preceeded by a signed, videotaped contract, followed by state-administered BAC tests and notarized by a proper county clerk. Once that is done, LET THE FUCKING BEGIN.

Yossarko · 04-02-2006, 10:47 PM

afaik TL now likes txt-spk

tbh, it's a little suprising (ials)

lol?

Crazy Ivan · 04-02-2006, 10:49 PM

Get out of here, nerd.

Yossarko · 04-02-2006, 10:50 PM

it's GOOH!

Dungeon Snake · 04-02-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Veldhuizen

afaik TL now likes txt-spk

tbh, it's a little suprising (ials)

lol?

UH HELLO TXT-SPK IS FUNNY??? WELCOME TO URF

Lyntan · 04-02-2006, 10:57 PM

Txt-spk is the future. Convenience > tradition.

Demented Ferret · 04-03-2006, 12:23 AM

Stop shitting up my thread everyone, this is about rape and rape only.

Phil Williamson · 04-03-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

Secondly, there is bound to be the psychobitch who will use the one time when consent wasn't requested in order to get her Ex-boyfriend banged up for a couple of years.

Uh how could she prove it? I think the guy would get the benefit of the doubt there

Demented Ferret · 04-03-2006, 12:32 AM

That excuse doesn't work ever.

Phil Williamson · 04-03-2006, 12:39 AM

If you're actually in a relationship at the time I reckon it would

Demented Ferret · 04-03-2006, 12:42 AM

Probably depends on the circumstances - if they were only going out for a few days or a short period of time and the woman/girl was pretty mentally unstable, I'd say it isn't unlikely that such a situation would arise.

That being said, even ignoring that I believe what I'm saying makes a whole lot of sense.

Demented Ferret · 04-03-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Linton

Laws on all sexual misconduct are too strong tbh. Rape is often viewed as being on a par with murder, which is ridiculous. This might sound insensitive, but girls who break down and claim that their lives are ruined, just 'cause they got cocked without giving consent, should fuck off and get over it.

Okay, I'm not really sure if I agree - unless you're saying those who were just drunk, had sex with a guy, was ashamed of it and acted as though they were traumatised and their life as they know it has ended. Then I'd have to concur, based on the stupidity of person in question (if a woman gets drunk without assistance, that is her OWN actions that get her into trouble, if she is suggestive in this state and cannot control her stupidity, that is HER fault).

I disagree, however - in the context of if a guy stalks a woman on her way home, comes up behind her with a knife and threatens to kill her while he fucks her lifeless; I can very well understand this being a life-changing event, especially concerning abortions, etc. and it deserves MAJOR punishment. I also find it weird how 'rape' now spans a huge umbrella of different things - come to think of it.

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Aggressive rape should be punished heavily, but not that much more heavily than other aggressive crimes like they are atm. Afaik rape gets a heavier punishment than GBH, which I strongly oppose. If a guy gets drunk and forces himself upon a girl that's already acted like she was up for it, or whatever, he doesn't deserve the years in jail that he'd get under the current law.

Again, the former case - AGRESSIVELY raping someone is horrific in comparison to GBH (especially concerning trauma), which could have incurred accidentaly in the 'heat of the moment'. The latter case, couldn't agree more - unless she's screaming and shouting about it and resisting (or is unconcious), the girl is in as much fault as the guy.

Digital Taco · 04-03-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Demented Ferret

Stop shitting up my thread everyone, this is about rape and rape only.

raperaperaperaperaperaperape

Dungeon Snake · 04-03-2006, 02:11 AM

seriously though i think pretty much everybody should probably be raped at least once agree/disagree?

Don Tickner · 04-03-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

I think the guy would get the benefit of the doubt there

Not really, Police and and Law Enforcement Officers will often believe a women over a man when it comes to sex crimes.
Add a few tears, maybe a bruse or two, and girls who are intent on revenge shall have it.
But, can a guy charge a girl with rape? Sure, but he'll be laughed out of the courtroom after the Defense Laywers rip his case to shreds.

As for the laws regarding rape, I dont think it really matters. If a women cries rape, false or not, the guy she pinned for it is marked a rapist for quite a long while (read: life, in most cases) regardless of a conviction.
Rape is the all purpose get-back-at-him for psycho women, and I hate that - espically since rape is pretty fucking terrible, really.

Melrose Let Down · 04-03-2006, 04:56 AM

Rape? I don't see what the big deal is really.

Phil Williamson · 04-03-2006, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Tickner

Not really, Police and and Law Enforcement Officers will often believe a women over a man when it comes to sex crimes.

"My current long-term boyfriend and I had sex, which is pretty universally common, but in this case it was totally rape!"

I dunno.

Melrose Let Down · 04-03-2006, 05:54 AM

Uhh, yeah... I don't think rape lawsuits are really that simple.

Andres · 04-03-2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

If you're actually in a relationship at the time I reckon it would

If you rape someone they wouldn't be lubed up and there'd probably be some abrasions, or some form of physical marking beyond simply your semen inside her. Evidence of sex wouldn't be enough. Jesus, guys. Didn't you watch that episode of SVU with Billy Campbell and Shanyn Sossamon?

04-02-2006, 01:29 PM	#1
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	Rape. Now, there's something that's really getting to me now, and that's the completely obvious sexist mindset the governement has taken in relation to the new legislation (or rather, ammended/re-emphasised legislation) they've hammered into place as of recent: that you must get a definite 'yes' before you have sex, otherwise categorically it is rape. Now, who is to ask the question; why is the guy always said to be the person ENGAGING in the act of sex? I have known many stories of guys who have woken up next to ugly girls, or even waking up to fat hambeasts doing God-knows-what, but I bet the law says that you: 1. Couldn't get her 'done' for rape in such a situation. 2. She could get you 'done' for rape in such a situation. Secondly, there is bound to be the psychobitch who will use the one time when consent wasn't requested in order to get her Ex-boyfriend banged up for a couple of years. I'm aware that it does help protect vunerable, drunk women - and for that it's very helpful, I'm sure - but in turn it also means that if a guy is 'lead-on' by a girl to an INTENSE degree and she seems happy with everything at the time but no verbal mutual agreement is created, that guy could end up being labelled a RAPIST for the rest of his life if the girl doesn't admit that she did something stupid. Anyone else have any opinions on this or other related issues (statutory rape, lololl)?

04-02-2006, 03:01 PM	#3
Klown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,640	The best moment ever was on BBC news a few days ago. This woman was really defending these strengthened rape laws saying "IF YOU DO NOT SAY IN EXPLICIT TERMS ' YES I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCORSE WITH YOU' IT IS RAPE. IF THEY ARE EVEN A LITTLE DRUNK: IT IS RAPE" and the newscaster was just staring at her. But then she really let a brilliant comment slip. When she was going back into rant mode she said "Lets face it, sex is embarrasing and it's an uncomfortable situation to talk about to anybody". I think the silence in the studio lasted for about 5 seconds.
Klown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,640

04-02-2006, 08:50 PM	#5
Lyntan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 14,315	Laws on all sexual misconduct are too strong tbh. Rape is often viewed as being on a par with murder, which is ridiculous. This might sound insensitive, but girls who break down and claim that their lives are ruined, just 'cause they got cocked without giving consent, should fuck off and get over it. Aggressive rape should be punished heavily, but not that much more heavily than other aggressive crimes like they are atm. Afaik rape gets a heavier punishment than GBH, which I strongly oppose. If a guy gets drunk and forces himself upon a girl that's already acted like she was up for it, or whatever, he doesn't deserve the years in jail that he'd get under the current law.
Lyntan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 14,315

04-02-2006, 10:10 PM	#6
Klown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,640	Oh for fucks sake.
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04-02-2006, 10:47 PM	#8
Yossarko Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8,357	afaik TL now likes txt-spk tbh, it's a little suprising (ials) lol?
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04-02-2006, 01:33 PM	#2
James Burgon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 8,689	I agree, I know loads of girls who could use it as revenge. It's terrible to think it but it's a dumb law. People make mistakes and they should deal with it.

04-02-2006, 03:47 PM	#4
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	Hahahaha.

04-02-2006, 10:44 PM	#7
Crazy Ivan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 9,462	This is why all sexual acts should be preceeded by a signed, videotaped contract, followed by state-administered BAC tests and notarized by a proper county clerk. Once that is done, LET THE FUCKING BEGIN.

04-02-2006, 10:49 PM	#9
Crazy Ivan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 9,462	Get out of here, nerd.

04-02-2006, 10:50 PM	#10
Yossarko Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8,357	it's GOOH!
Yossarko Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 8,357

04-02-2006, 10:57 PM	#12
Lyntan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 14,315	Txt-spk is the future. Convenience > tradition.
Lyntan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 14,315

04-03-2006, 12:23 AM	#13
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	Stop shitting up my thread everyone, this is about rape and rape only.

04-03-2006, 12:32 AM	#15
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	That excuse doesn't work ever.

04-03-2006, 12:39 AM	#16
Phil Williamson Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 16,900	If you're actually in a relationship at the time I reckon it would

04-03-2006, 12:42 AM	#17
Demented Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16,248	Probably depends on the circumstances - if they were only going out for a few days or a short period of time and the woman/girl was pretty mentally unstable, I'd say it isn't unlikely that such a situation would arise. That being said, even ignoring that I believe what I'm saying makes a whole lot of sense.

04-03-2006, 02:11 AM	#20
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,519	seriously though i think pretty much everybody should probably be raped at least once agree/disagree?

04-03-2006, 04:56 AM	#22
Melrose Let Down Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,566	Rape? I don't see what the big deal is really.

04-03-2006, 05:54 AM	#24
Melrose Let Down Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,566	Uhh, yeah... I don't think rape lawsuits are really that simple.