Why can't you run a BB without stealing?

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:05 AM

Okay. I have finally removed an image that one of your members, Santiago Miglionico, seemed incapable of posting without.

But since intellectual property for legit image developers, I wonder why you tolerate and even encourange bandwidth theft and other incursions on intellectual property? You must be posers, people not really capable imagining and executing an original idea. You know, an idea of YOUR OWN, where YOU actually take the picture and work with it, YOURSELF, and serve it from your OWN bandwidth.

Oh, wait. Posers don't actually OWN any bandwidth.

Travis Wells · 09-24-2002, 05:12 AM

Wow.
You just accused an entire community dedicated to creating of being un-creative.

As for off-site image linking, Most people don't have their own webspace.
If they do, then it has remote linking disabled most of the time.
So most people link to images on other servers.
If it bothers you, disable remote linking on your server.

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:17 AM

I frankly don't give a rat's ass about your community, except to the extent that I can't help noticing that it seems well chuffed to accept (and now defend) image and bandwidth gankers.

It happens -- and of course I would not expect you to understand reasons for this -- that there are good reasons not to implement the "solution" you propose. AND THE POINT IS, I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO.

Ban your bandwidth thieves and posers or prepare to be lumped with them. (It's also beyond silly to have to register here in order to be able to report this kind of abuse -- unless, of course and as is apparent by your reply, you do not consider it abuse.)

Lmac · 09-24-2002, 05:20 AM

Actually, the registration restrictions are designed to keep idiots like you away from the community. We try to keep as many people without 3DMM from entering the community as then we get bullshit posts (eg. this) hogging OUR bandwidth. As Travis said, if you have a problem with the remote linking, disable it on your server.

Really, you picked the wrong person to talk about knowledge of all things Net related, Travis knows everything.

I personally don't condone bandwidth stealing, but it happens all throughout the internet jack-ass, not just here. So why don't you take your little crusade to the rest of the bulletin boards throughout cyberspace?

Travis Wells · 09-24-2002, 05:30 AM

I run a server hosting over 3 gigabytes of movies & images.

Yeah, I'm a bandwidth thief alright.

But as for bandwidth stealing, if it's your server disable remote linking, or just tell me who's stealing bandwidth.
I'll kill their sigs/images that all stolen, and add your site to the banned hosts lists.

I'm not going to ban all remote linkers, since it seems most hosts don't mind.
Those that do, restrict remote linking.

Zygar · 09-24-2002, 05:31 AM

I agree w/ Lmac.

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:40 AM

...the madder I get.

I've already GIVE you the name of the little shi-ite who ganks bandwidth. I'm here because of what popped on my referer log:

http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...threadid=21393

It seems to be that you are positing a notion that what is not specifically forbidden, technically, is permitted. And, despite what you may be choosing to serve legitimately yourself, whenever you are looking at threads on your BB that include MY images served by MY bandwidth, YOU ARE A BANDWIDTH THIEF.

I will go ahead and do what I have to do to protect myself, but you certainly do not serve your community well nor do you represent yourself professionally when you show such utter and cavalier disregard for intellectual property.

Huh. I sound like a freakin' barrister to myself. I wonder why that might be...

Oh, well, I know people here are not especially interested in or concerned with the EU court's um... generous... response to parties aggrieved by incursions on intellectual property.

Bye, now. You have a nice day, too.

Mike Johnston · 09-24-2002, 05:43 AM

Dude, you are a bitch.

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:47 AM

you posers.

On one hand, you want respect (and probably protection) for your little works. On the other hand, you think that anything not locked up is yours for the taking.

Yah, sounds like a vital, creative, intellectually challenging and honest community.

Gawd. You're probably RICH, too. (Which rhymes with...)

Good thing ol' Travis came back in time to help your sorry butts, seeings as how HE is the one who knows all this CONFUSING and DIFFICULT and UNFAIR stuff about how the Internet conspires against poor sods like you.

Travis Wells · 09-24-2002, 05:47 AM

Ok, you should have said what server you run.

That thread is full of random images, he probably pulled it off Google Image search.

(You should block robots maybe?)

It wasn't an attempt to destroy your server, just another BB member trying to be funny.

I've removed the image, and closed that thread.

Zygar · 09-24-2002, 05:49 AM

Aww. Isn't the asshole cute?

I can see his point. Maybe Santiago should apologise, to get this idiot outta here.

Now who's with me?! *Grabs a pitchfork*

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:50 AM

...and you should tell your members to knock it off.

(Go ahead and reply; what-all you-all are saying now goes into something called a RECORD, which shows that you were on notice of a problem and how you responded.)

Mike Johnston · 09-24-2002, 05:52 AM

Lake Ego is a fucking mess. Already I hate him, after four posts. Stop bitching about how this place is run and make a movie, which being in this community is all about. You're probably going to be banned anyway soon hopefully.

Zygar · 09-24-2002, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lake Ego
...and you should tell your members to knock it off.

(Go ahead and reply; what-all you-all are saying now goes into something called a RECORD, which shows that you were on notice of a problem and how you responded.)

U-huh. I can see your point, but like Travis said, nobody was doing it to destroy your bandwidth.

So leave. NOW.

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:53 AM

Zygar...

I had no IDEA you were so FLEXIBLE (although your notions about intellectual property certainly are, but that's probably only because you DON'T HAVE ANY). Are you using a mirror to see yourself like that? Or is it only because your head is always stuck up there, anyway??

Zygar · 09-24-2002, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Michael Johnston
Lake Ego is a fucking mess. Already I hate him, after four posts. Stop bitching about how this place is run and make a movie, which being in this community is all about. You're probably going to be banned anyway soon hopefully.

He got an account just to complain to the admins.

Mike Johnston · 09-24-2002, 05:54 AM

Lake Ego, or whatever, you're destroying our bandwidth with your pointless posts, so just go now.

Crazy Ivan · 09-24-2002, 05:54 AM

Lake Ego, perhaps you should simply close off your server to all possibility of file leeching and leave. Unless you plan on visiting ever online forum on the www, otherwise your breath is being wasted. Besides, all we would have to do is block your ip address to permanently shut you up.

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:55 AM

...the effect is still STEALING.

But I guess you're adroit, hmm??

Zygar · 09-24-2002, 05:55 AM

Get the fuck out.

Travis Wells · 09-24-2002, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lake Ego

(Go ahead and reply; what-all you-all are saying now goes into something called a RECORD, which shows that you were on notice of a problem and how you responded.)

A record that will exist for a maximum of 100 days, is EASILY manipulated, and could disappear at any moment should I or any other Moderator wish it to.

Therefore, it's hardly a record, is it?

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 05:58 AM

...given your CREATIVITY.

But then again, it seems like mostly you are here to defend your right NOT to have to be creative and NOT to pay for your own bandwidth. You've _told_ me I'm wrong, but part of the reason you're so upset is... well... you know I'm right.

Reality bites, little guys.

Travis Wells · 09-24-2002, 05:58 AM

The image that was "stealing" has been deleted.
If any of the other copyright holders/servers of images being used on this board wish to come forward I'll take action.

Not all servers are against the use of their bandwidth.
Try checking were most of the sigs on this board are hosted.

Lake Ego · 09-24-2002, 06:01 AM

...and that's how the record is being uh, well, RECORDed.

We'll check back, of course, but this is a fun training project for our fall term interns *smile*

Thanks, guys. Really!

You're helping out.

Talk on. Post away! Please!

It's great!

Zygar · 09-24-2002, 06:01 AM

LOOK LAKE EGO. PEOPLE WERE RANDOMLY POSTING PICS FROM GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH, OK? THEY WERE NOT DOING IT TO UPSET YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.

09-24-2002, 05:05 AM	#1
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	Why can't you run a BB without stealing? Okay. I have finally removed an image that one of your members, Santiago Miglionico, seemed incapable of posting without. But since intellectual property for legit image developers, I wonder why you tolerate and even encourange bandwidth theft and other incursions on intellectual property? You must be posers, people not really capable imagining and executing an original idea. You know, an idea of YOUR OWN, where YOU actually take the picture and work with it, YOURSELF, and serve it from your OWN bandwidth. Oh, wait. Posers don't actually OWN any bandwidth.
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:17 AM	#3
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	You've just defended every ganker... I frankly don't give a rat's ass about your community, except to the extent that I can't help noticing that it seems well chuffed to accept (and now defend) image and bandwidth gankers. It happens -- and of course I would not expect you to understand reasons for this -- that there are good reasons not to implement the "solution" you propose. AND THE POINT IS, I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO. Ban your bandwidth thieves and posers or prepare to be lumped with them. (It's also beyond silly to have to register here in order to be able to report this kind of abuse -- unless, of course and as is apparent by your reply, you do not consider it abuse.)
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:20 AM	#4
Lmac Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,474	Actually, the registration restrictions are designed to keep idiots like you away from the community. We try to keep as many people without 3DMM from entering the community as then we get bullshit posts (eg. this) hogging OUR bandwidth. As Travis said, if you have a problem with the remote linking, disable it on your server. Really, you picked the wrong person to talk about knowledge of all things Net related, Travis knows everything. I personally don't condone bandwidth stealing, but it happens all throughout the internet jack-ass, not just here. So why don't you take your little crusade to the rest of the bulletin boards throughout cyberspace?
Lmac Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,474

09-24-2002, 05:31 AM	#6
Zygar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,644	I agree w/ Lmac.
Zygar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,644

09-24-2002, 05:40 AM	#7
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	The more I think about this... ...the madder I get. I've already GIVE you the name of the little shi-ite who ganks bandwidth. I'm here because of what popped on my referer log: http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/showthrea...threadid=21393 It seems to be that you are positing a notion that what is not specifically forbidden, technically, is permitted. And, despite what you may be choosing to serve legitimately yourself, whenever you are looking at threads on your BB that include MY images served by MY bandwidth, YOU ARE A BANDWIDTH THIEF. I will go ahead and do what I have to do to protect myself, but you certainly do not serve your community well nor do you represent yourself professionally when you show such utter and cavalier disregard for intellectual property. Huh. I sound like a freakin' barrister to myself. I wonder why that might be... Oh, well, I know people here are not especially interested in or concerned with the EU court's um... generous... response to parties aggrieved by incursions on intellectual property. Bye, now. You have a nice day, too.
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:12 AM	#2
Travis Wells Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,147	Wow. You just accused an entire community dedicated to creating of being un-creative. As for off-site image linking, Most people don't have their own webspace. If they do, then it has remote linking disabled most of the time. So most people link to images on other servers. If it bothers you, disable remote linking on your server.

09-24-2002, 05:30 AM	#5
Travis Wells Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,147	I run a server hosting over 3 gigabytes of movies & images. Yeah, I'm a bandwidth thief alright. But as for bandwidth stealing, if it's your server disable remote linking, or just tell me who's stealing bandwidth. I'll kill their sigs/images that all stolen, and add your site to the banned hosts lists. I'm not going to ban all remote linkers, since it seems most hosts don't mind. Those that do, restrict remote linking.

09-24-2002, 05:43 AM	#8
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893	Dude, you are a bitch.
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893

09-24-2002, 05:47 AM	#9
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	And proud of it, you posers. On one hand, you want respect (and probably protection) for your little works. On the other hand, you think that anything not locked up is yours for the taking. Yah, sounds like a vital, creative, intellectually challenging and honest community. Gawd. You're probably RICH, too. (Which rhymes with...) Good thing ol' Travis came back in time to help your sorry butts, seeings as how HE is the one who knows all this CONFUSING and DIFFICULT and UNFAIR stuff about how the Internet conspires against poor sods like you.
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:49 AM	#11
Zygar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,644	Aww. Isn't the asshole cute? I can see his point. Maybe Santiago should apologise, to get this idiot outta here. Now who's with me?! Grabs a pitchfork
Zygar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,644

09-24-2002, 05:50 AM	#12
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	Yah, but it's still T-H-E-F-T... ...and you should tell your members to knock it off. (Go ahead and reply; what-all you-all are saying now goes into something called a RECORD, which shows that you were on notice of a problem and how you responded.)
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:52 AM	#13
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893	Lake Ego is a fucking mess. Already I hate him, after four posts. Stop bitching about how this place is run and make a movie, which being in this community is all about. You're probably going to be banned anyway soon hopefully.
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893

09-24-2002, 05:53 AM	#15
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	and your lil' buddies... Zygar... I had no IDEA you were so FLEXIBLE (although your notions about intellectual property certainly are, but that's probably only because you DON'T HAVE ANY). Are you using a mirror to see yourself like that? Or is it only because your head is always stuck up there, anyway??
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:54 AM	#17
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893	Lake Ego, or whatever, you're destroying our bandwidth with your pointless posts, so just go now.
Mike Johnston Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 893

09-24-2002, 05:54 AM	#18
Crazy Ivan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 9,462	Lake Ego, perhaps you should simply close off your server to all possibility of file leeching and leave. Unless you plan on visiting ever online forum on the www, otherwise your breath is being wasted. Besides, all we would have to do is block your ip address to permanently shut you up.

09-24-2002, 05:55 AM	#19
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	Doesn't matter what the POINT was... ...the effect is still STEALING. But I guess you're adroit, hmm??
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 05:58 AM	#22
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	You guys are AWFULLY easily distracted ...given your CREATIVITY. But then again, it seems like mostly you are here to defend your right NOT to have to be creative and NOT to pay for your own bandwidth. You've _told_ me I'm wrong, but part of the reason you're so upset is... well... you know I'm right. Reality bites, little guys.
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14

09-24-2002, 06:01 AM	#24
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14	Travis, ol' bud, you're doing this in real time... ...and that's how the record is being uh, well, RECORDed. We'll check back, of course, but this is a fun training project for our fall term interns smile Thanks, guys. Really! You're helping out. Talk on. Post away! Please! It's great!
Lake Ego Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 14