Vlarion 1 - The Elemental War - Page 11

Aaron Haynes · 03-09-2006, 02:02 AM

Hahahahah, I didn't really say that, did I? If I did, it was tongue-in-cheek POMPOUS BASTARD talk.

I think I was being a smartass by congratulating you and openly accepting my inevitable loss at your hands. But you were the one who'd brought it up.

Breed · 03-09-2006, 02:50 AM

Right, thats exactly what happened, it was clearly tongue in cheek and I shoulda made that more clear.

vote gameshow best movie of 06 cause aaron is a pompous egotistical cunt.

Aaron Haynes · 03-09-2006, 02:55 AM

You are so predictable Tom Breed.

you did not accurately predict what this spoiler would say

Breed · 03-09-2006, 04:52 AM

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Andres · 03-11-2006, 03:07 AM

I saw it. Full review tomorrow.

Mr Z · 03-11-2006, 03:13 AM

Is this thread the biggest movie thread ever?

Aaron Haynes · 03-11-2006, 08:46 PM

No, Mr Z, it is not.

To the owners of the 10 posts I just deleted, don't post inane bullshit in this or any other movie threads.

Yapper · 03-13-2006, 05:46 AM

Well here's an "outsider's" opinion.

First of all the scenery and everything was very impressive. I didn't know to expect so much from a 3dmm movie. I love how the camera seems always moving, very.. dynamic. When the first action scene came around I COULD NOT BELIEVE what I was seeing. Wow.

I hate to be the naysayer here but honestly I found the rest of the movie outside of the battles to be really really fucking tedious. I stopped the movie and switched task several times, but I'm glad I kept going 'til the end because the whole water sequence was... oh my sweet lord. I have no idea how you learned to animate so well. It's just the story was so weak in comparison, feeling almost like a heavily drawn out excuse for the battles themselves. The unwrapping before the smooth taste of a Hershey's chocolate bar... only longer and more punishing.

I kinda felt the sidekicks were underdeveloped or maybe just very banal in their personalities...

At first I was kind of thrown off by the powers everyone suddenly displayed in fights and the overall comic nature compared to the serious tone of the rest of the movie. I guess you were going for a fun rpgish kind of thing here, for whatever reason. I'm probably out of the loop since I didn't see any other Vlarion movies. I wish the rest of the movie had been going for that same vibe, maybe a little humor (not taking itself so seriously), that would have made it more entertaining overall.

Well this is only the first part I know, and I'm sure things can only pick up from here. Just my two cents a little different view.

Aaron Haynes · 03-13-2006, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the long reply. Sorry the story didn't grab you, it takes a while to get started (both the series and especially this movie). There's a momentum thing going on, too, so you're likely to lose a lot of that buildup by stopping and restarting. If you don't find yourself caring what's happening, any time crazy shit isn't happening onscreen is pretty much gonna be a slog for you.

Part of the idea in the remake was to make the movie a lot more seamless between battles and plot; there's still a pretty clear difference, but the originals were RPG movies, so this is an attempt to make it work more cinematically. The energy of the two Vlarion fights exceeds any of the other smaller action sequences (apart from the AT siege) by miles, but I wasn't personally struck by a serious change in tone as you were. I'll try to keep that in mind for Vlarion 2 however (which is already much more suited to action and consistent tone).

I didn't intend for V1 to be very solemn, it's actually the most lighthearted movie in the series, but not a lot's happening until Hirolix appears. The appeals for more humor surprised me, but V2 should be a lot more polished in terms of tone. It's more specialized than V1, but the tempo has picked up and there'll be less exposition. You'll probably warm up to this movie's story as the arc of the series becomes more clear.

Thanks for the comments.

Ninja Devil · 11:54 PM

Well i loved it nice one Aaron, 10/10

can't wait for the rest of them now.

Tuna Hematoma · 03-19-2006, 08:36 AM

This movie is almost as good as Xenogears!

Travis Wells · 03-19-2006, 08:48 AM

Since Aaron isn't awake now, I'll do it for him:

YOU ARE BANNED SIR

Aaron Haynes · 03-19-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuna Hematoma

This movie is almost as good as Xenogears!

Did you seriously watch it or are you just trying to bait me again?

Oh, and try out Star Ocean 3. It's as ludicrous and self-indulgent as Xenogears, almost as poorly paced, but without the meaningless Christian symbolism and with an insanely fun real-time battle system. I enjoyed it despite myself.

Tuna Hematoma · 03-19-2006, 05:34 PM

The fighting system was stupid... normal enemies having that shield thing is stupid. Game's kinda gay too.

I UPDATED MY SITE MR. NOT KNOWING THAT.

Aaron Haynes · 03-19-2006, 05:57 PM

Once you learn how to watch fury meters and time your attacks around their animations to be sure you can connect with them, it's awesome. Only RPG I've ever actually enjoyed battling in. And WAH SHIELDS ARE COMPLEX I CAN'T JUST PRESS THREE DIFFERENT ATTACK BUTTONS AND HOPE IT'LL WORK OUT I'M TUNA HEMATOMA AND I LIKE 80 HOURS OF TRITE METAPHORS

Anyways. COOL, I'm glad you liked it. It does start slow, I realize now. It was designed to be kind of a gradual buildup and then got interesting in the investigation, but then two new scenes got added and one got extended and now it's in the 80-90 scene range before we meet Adrack. So it takes a little bit of patience, yeah.

I'm still confused about this sound complaint. Maybe I'm the only human being in existence that doesn't hear the 3DMM sound library all night in his dreams. How original of a sound do you need when a bag is dropping onto the grass? Or when someone walks across a floor? Because I did actually engineer some of my own footstep sounds for the end part, and NO ONE ACTUALLY NOTICED. >: (.

But yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it, and as you mentioned, yes, this is largely the establishing chapter, and things start to heat up fast from here. Thanks for the review

Griffon · 03-19-2006, 07:12 PM

Hey Aaron, can you upload the full version of the Prelude to Darkness MP3? or is that all there is to it?

Aaron Haynes · 03-19-2006, 07:20 PM

http://www.lockntoad.com/homyguyz/Pr...20Darkness.mp3

Checked everywhere I knew to look, but couldn't find who made this and what it was called, as it's obviously a remix.

Griffon · 03-19-2006, 07:23 PM

Cheers. Also I don't know if you've checked the Art Gallery yet, but I'm doing new fan art for the new series. I hope you enjoy!

Salter · 03-19-2006, 07:52 PM

It works well as a ringtone, by the way.

Tuna Hematoma · 03-19-2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Haynes

I'm still confused about this sound complaint. Maybe I'm the only human being in existence that doesn't hear the 3DMM sound library all night in his dreams. How original of a sound do you need when a bag is dropping onto the grass? Or when someone walks across a floor? Because I did actually engineer some of my own footstep sounds for the end part, and NO ONE ACTUALLY NOTICED. >: (.

I NOTICED ACTUALLY, cuz I was all, "I think those are different step sounds." which is bad in itself, because footstep sounds should never be the topic of discussion.

the default soundness is just that I've heard those sound effects from watch 15 million movies and making my own movies and it's kind of weird seeing all this great scenery, funky edited characters, interesting story... then all of a sudden "tick, thump, tick, thump" from the 3dmm sound library... JUST... YOU KNOW... it irritated me.

Pogo · 03-20-2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Haynes

http://www.lockntoad.com/homyguyz/Pr...20Darkness.mp3

Checked everywhere I knew to look, but couldn't find who made this and what it was called, as it's obviously a remix.

Final Fantasy Origins. It's not fanmade or anything. It was written by Nobuo Uematsu for the PSone remake of FF1

Aaron Haynes · 03-21-2006, 08:27 AM

Ahhhh. Cool.

Chris Killmore · 03-21-2006, 10:32 PM

Urrgh, the .AVI link doesn't work. Now I gotta reinstall 3DMM.

Dominator Dan · 03-21-2006, 10:35 PM

where have you been Mr. K. Moore

Chris Killmore · 03-21-2006, 10:48 PM

Watching threads uninterestedly.

03-09-2006, 02:50 AM	#252
Breed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,768	Right, thats exactly what happened, it was clearly tongue in cheek and I shoulda made that more clear. vote gameshow best movie of 06 cause aaron is a pompous egotistical cunt.
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03-09-2006, 04:52 AM	#254
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03-11-2006, 03:07 AM	#255
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	I saw it. Full review tomorrow.
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03-11-2006, 03:13 AM	#256
Mr Z Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 146	Is this thread the biggest movie thread ever?
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03-13-2006, 05:46 AM	#258
Yapper Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 216	Well here's an "outsider's" opinion. First of all the scenery and everything was very impressive. I didn't know to expect so much from a 3dmm movie. I love how the camera seems always moving, very.. dynamic. When the first action scene came around I COULD NOT BELIEVE what I was seeing. Wow. I hate to be the naysayer here but honestly I found the rest of the movie outside of the battles to be really really fucking tedious. I stopped the movie and switched task several times, but I'm glad I kept going 'til the end because the whole water sequence was... oh my sweet lord. I have no idea how you learned to animate so well. It's just the story was so weak in comparison, feeling almost like a heavily drawn out excuse for the battles themselves. The unwrapping before the smooth taste of a Hershey's chocolate bar... only longer and more punishing. I kinda felt the sidekicks were underdeveloped or maybe just very banal in their personalities... At first I was kind of thrown off by the powers everyone suddenly displayed in fights and the overall comic nature compared to the serious tone of the rest of the movie. I guess you were going for a fun rpgish kind of thing here, for whatever reason. I'm probably out of the loop since I didn't see any other Vlarion movies. I wish the rest of the movie had been going for that same vibe, maybe a little humor (not taking itself so seriously), that would have made it more entertaining overall. Well this is only the first part I know, and I'm sure things can only pick up from here. Just my two cents a little different view.
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03-09-2006, 02:02 AM	#251
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Hahahahah, I didn't really say that, did I? If I did, it was tongue-in-cheek POMPOUS BASTARD talk. I think I was being a smartass by congratulating you and openly accepting my inevitable loss at your hands. But you were the one who'd brought it up.

03-09-2006, 02:55 AM	#253
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	You are so predictable Tom Breed. you did not accurately predict what this spoiler would say

03-11-2006, 08:46 PM	#257
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	No, Mr Z, it is not. To the owners of the 10 posts I just deleted, don't post inane bullshit in this or any other movie threads.

03-13-2006, 05:50 PM	#259
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Thanks for the long reply. Sorry the story didn't grab you, it takes a while to get started (both the series and especially this movie). There's a momentum thing going on, too, so you're likely to lose a lot of that buildup by stopping and restarting. If you don't find yourself caring what's happening, any time crazy shit isn't happening onscreen is pretty much gonna be a slog for you. Part of the idea in the remake was to make the movie a lot more seamless between battles and plot; there's still a pretty clear difference, but the originals were RPG movies, so this is an attempt to make it work more cinematically. The energy of the two Vlarion fights exceeds any of the other smaller action sequences (apart from the AT siege) by miles, but I wasn't personally struck by a serious change in tone as you were. I'll try to keep that in mind for Vlarion 2 however (which is already much more suited to action and consistent tone). I didn't intend for V1 to be very solemn, it's actually the most lighthearted movie in the series, but not a lot's happening until Hirolix appears. The appeals for more humor surprised me, but V2 should be a lot more polished in terms of tone. It's more specialized than V1, but the tempo has picked up and there'll be less exposition. You'll probably warm up to this movie's story as the arc of the series becomes more clear. Thanks for the comments.

03-15-2006, 08:45 AM	#260
Ninja Devil Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 151	Well i loved it nice one Aaron, 10/10 can't wait for the rest of them now.
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03-19-2006, 08:36 AM	#261
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	This movie is almost as good as Xenogears!

03-19-2006, 08:48 AM	#262
Travis Wells Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,147	Since Aaron isn't awake now, I'll do it for him: YOU ARE BANNED SIR

03-19-2006, 05:34 PM	#264
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	The fighting system was stupid... normal enemies having that shield thing is stupid. Game's kinda gay too. I UPDATED MY SITE MR. NOT KNOWING THAT.

03-19-2006, 05:57 PM	#265
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Once you learn how to watch fury meters and time your attacks around their animations to be sure you can connect with them, it's awesome. Only RPG I've ever actually enjoyed battling in. And WAH SHIELDS ARE COMPLEX I CAN'T JUST PRESS THREE DIFFERENT ATTACK BUTTONS AND HOPE IT'LL WORK OUT I'M TUNA HEMATOMA AND I LIKE 80 HOURS OF TRITE METAPHORS Anyways. COOL, I'm glad you liked it. It does start slow, I realize now. It was designed to be kind of a gradual buildup and then got interesting in the investigation, but then two new scenes got added and one got extended and now it's in the 80-90 scene range before we meet Adrack. So it takes a little bit of patience, yeah. I'm still confused about this sound complaint. Maybe I'm the only human being in existence that doesn't hear the 3DMM sound library all night in his dreams. How original of a sound do you need when a bag is dropping onto the grass? Or when someone walks across a floor? Because I did actually engineer some of my own footstep sounds for the end part, and NO ONE ACTUALLY NOTICED. >: (. But yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it, and as you mentioned, yes, this is largely the establishing chapter, and things start to heat up fast from here. Thanks for the review

03-19-2006, 07:12 PM	#266
Griffon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,960	Hey Aaron, can you upload the full version of the Prelude to Darkness MP3? or is that all there is to it?
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03-19-2006, 07:20 PM	#267
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	http://www.lockntoad.com/homyguyz/Pr...20Darkness.mp3 Checked everywhere I knew to look, but couldn't find who made this and what it was called, as it's obviously a remix.

03-19-2006, 07:23 PM	#268
Griffon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,960	Cheers. Also I don't know if you've checked the Art Gallery yet, but I'm doing new fan art for the new series. I hope you enjoy!
Griffon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,960

03-19-2006, 07:52 PM	#269
Salter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,958	It works well as a ringtone, by the way.
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03-21-2006, 08:27 AM	#272
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Ahhhh. Cool.

03-21-2006, 10:32 PM	#273
Chris Killmore Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,374	Urrgh, the .AVI link doesn't work. Now I gotta reinstall 3DMM.

03-21-2006, 10:35 PM	#274
Dominator Dan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 11,564	where have you been Mr. K. Moore

03-21-2006, 10:48 PM	#275
Chris Killmore Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,374	Watching threads uninterestedly.