3D Movie Maker Source Code - Page 2

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 01:05 PM

Holy fucking shit this is incredible.

We <3 you foone

HMC · 05-04-2022, 02:00 PM

Never thought I’d see the day.

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 02:30 PM

If only McZee had the motivation to finish these amazing works..

BiznessMan · 05-04-2022, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plopilpy

If only McZee had the motivation to finish these amazing works..

McZee's magnum opus, Dodo Guy

Wookieman · 05-04-2022, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foone

You're welcome!

con-fucking-gratulations, holy shit.

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doog Lord

The timing is perfect since, as darknowl on discord said, May 3rd makes 3.M. That could be 3dmm day.

3rd
Day of the
Month of
May

BiznessMan · 05-04-2022, 05:35 PM

Some of the left over graphics indicate that it originally shared a similar aesthetic as Creative Artist/Writer

Undecked Pear · 05-04-2022, 07:45 PM

Wow, incredible news! I remember Travis Wells doing all sorts of neat hacks to modify it even without the source back in the day.

I think he tried to get MS to open source it back then too.

Glad to see it finally happened.Is that guy still around?

Foone · 05-04-2022, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undecked Pear

Glad to see it finally happened.Is that guy still around?

Yep. They're me. Travis Wells was my 3DMM Alias, Foone Turing is my real name.

I have been on my bullshit for SO LONG

Foone · 05-04-2022, 07:57 PM

BTW I did a thread over on twitter talking about my plans going forward with the source.
https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1521904206197653504

TL;dr:
1. Collect more BRender versions, pester companies to get more BRender games open sourced.
2. Make a modernized-3DMM version. Minimal changes, just get it working on Windows 10/11, fix bugs that popped up because of changes in windows over the last 27 years.
3. Make a 3DMM But Better version. (I am, of course, calling it Movie Maker Plus). Drop the 256-color limitation, native video export, easy importing of new textures/objects, replace the rendering, new tools for making movies, etc.

mdtaUK · 05-04-2022, 08:03 PM

Are there any PBM file converters? A cursory google search brings up Portable BitMap as a format, but converters and GIMP can't open the ones included in the source?

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foone

BTW I did a thread over on twitter talking about my plans going forward with the source.
https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1521904206197653504

TL;dr:
1. Collect more BRender versions, pester companies to get more BRender games open sourced.
2. Make a modernized-3DMM version. Minimal changes, just get it working on Windows 10/11, fix bugs that popped up because of changes in windows over the last 27 years.
3. Make a 3DMM But Better version. (I am, of course, calling it Movie Maker Plus). Drop the 256-color limitation, native video export, easy importing of new textures/objects, replace the rendering, new tools for making movies, etc.

Hi, I have contacted the pope and he says he'd like to bless you because he too loves 3D Movie Maker.

Foone · 05-04-2022, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdtaUK

Are there any PBM file converters? A cursory google search brings up Portable BitMap as a format, but converters and GIMP can't open the ones included in the source?

Yeah I need to look into that. I think they're using their own format with the same extension.

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 08:42 PM

Some findings:

A note between Team Socrates members

Beta 3D Word GUI

Costume button?

Beta render of theater

Depth maps of backstage props

TONY1.AVI, most likely a render test, but without proper depth maps and very low res

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738570908788326511/971283088070037504/TONY1.mp4

Dev screenshots from Windows 3.1, because Windows 95 just simply wasn't a thing

BiznessMan · 05-04-2022, 08:58 PM

I've been trying to build the source on an old PC of mine, but I think some files may be incomplete or missing. Mainly, I can't build some of the .objs from the kauai directory. When I try to build kauai from the source I get a compile error (something about not being able to convert a short* to long*)

I'll keep chipping away at it. I have the debug flag on so I'd be curious to see what kind of debug goodies we might have access to (if any)

Gavin Owers · 05-04-2022, 10:57 PM

Congratulations Foone and everyone else involved with releasing 3dmm's source code. I look forward to seeing all the 'Open 3DMM' releases in the future.

Maybe now we can finally fix that bug in 3dmm where importing and reordering movie scenes sometimes breaks custom audio in the timeline (and find out why it happens in the first place). Or fix the explosion prop so it's actually called 'Explosion' and not 'Explosio'. The possibilities are endless!

Old Rivers · 05-04-2022, 11:03 PM

Correcting the spelling of 'explosio' feels like sacrilege.

Lord Blazer · 05-04-2022, 11:18 PM

Explosio is an actor, not a prop, hence the name

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Rivers

Correcting the spelling of 'explosio' feels like sacrilege.

Brimz · 05-04-2022, 11:27 PM

Congratulations Foone and everyone else involved! Really excited to see that the source was finally released after all these years. I was following the Twitter threads for a while but this was totally unexpected.

Plopilpy · 05-04-2022, 11:29 PM

Will Maltby is going to post in here next

PizzaLuigi · 05-04-2022, 11:41 PM

Hope Foone posts more about 3dmm all these old users coming back is pretty awesome.

Gavin Owers · 05-04-2022, 11:56 PM

Fine, let's keep Explosio then.

Looking at the source code, for me the most interesting file is SITOBREN.CPP, which is a utility they used to convert Softimage .hrc files into 3dmm's chunk format, including the backgrounds. If someone were to find a copy of Softimage Creative Environment 2.x and emulate a Silicon Graphics system, you could potentially make your own backgrounds and actors from scratch like the pros did (but why would you?).

But for me, it's figuring out the camera chunk data. I want to recreate the 3dmm backgrounds using point cloud data so you can explore them in 3D, but I haven't been able to figure out the view projection matrix for 3dmm's cameras.

PizzaLuigi · 05-05-2022, 12:21 AM

Not sure if i’ll use 3dmm 2 but I feel like that’d be in the same vain as refusing to use V3dmm when that came out.

PizzaLuigi · 05-05-2022, 12:24 AM

This is awesome I think we’re seeing a 3dmm renaissance happening before our eyes.

05-04-2022, 02:00 PM	#27
HMC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,734	Never thought I’d see the day.
HMC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,734

05-04-2022, 05:35 PM	#32
BiznessMan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 152	Some of the left over graphics indicate that it originally shared a similar aesthetic as Creative Artist/Writer
BiznessMan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 152

05-04-2022, 07:57 PM	#35
Foone Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 647	BTW I did a thread over on twitter talking about my plans going forward with the source. https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1521904206197653504 TL;dr: 1. Collect more BRender versions, pester companies to get more BRender games open sourced. 2. Make a modernized-3DMM version. Minimal changes, just get it working on Windows 10/11, fix bugs that popped up because of changes in windows over the last 27 years. 3. Make a 3DMM But Better version. (I am, of course, calling it Movie Maker Plus). Drop the 256-color limitation, native video export, easy importing of new textures/objects, replace the rendering, new tools for making movies, etc.
Foone Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 647

05-04-2022, 08:03 PM	#36
mdtaUK Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 66	Are there any PBM file converters? A cursory google search brings up Portable BitMap as a format, but converters and GIMP can't open the ones included in the source?
mdtaUK Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 66

05-04-2022, 08:58 PM	#40
BiznessMan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 152	I've been trying to build the source on an old PC of mine, but I think some files may be incomplete or missing. Mainly, I can't build some of the .objs from the kauai directory. When I try to build kauai from the source I get a compile error (something about not being able to convert a short* to long*) I'll keep chipping away at it. I have the debug flag on so I'd be curious to see what kind of debug goodies we might have access to (if any)
BiznessMan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 152

05-04-2022, 01:05 PM	#26
Plopilpy 3dmm.com President Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 5,194	Holy fucking shit this is incredible. We <3 you foone

05-04-2022, 02:30 PM	#28
Plopilpy 3dmm.com President Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 5,194	If only McZee had the motivation to finish these amazing works..

05-04-2022, 07:45 PM	#33
Undecked Pear Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 145	Wow, incredible news! I remember Travis Wells doing all sorts of neat hacks to modify it even without the source back in the day. I think he tried to get MS to open source it back then too. Glad to see it finally happened.Is that guy still around?

05-04-2022, 08:42 PM	#39
Plopilpy 3dmm.com President Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 5,194	Some findings: A note between Team Socrates members Beta 3D Word GUI Costume button? Beta render of theater Depth maps of backstage props TONY1.AVI, most likely a render test, but without proper depth maps and very low res https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738570908788326511/971283088070037504/TONY1.mp4 Dev screenshots from Windows 3.1, because Windows 95 just simply wasn't a thing

05-04-2022, 10:57 PM	#41
Gavin Owers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,950	Congratulations Foone and everyone else involved with releasing 3dmm's source code. I look forward to seeing all the 'Open 3DMM' releases in the future. Maybe now we can finally fix that bug in 3dmm where importing and reordering movie scenes sometimes breaks custom audio in the timeline (and find out why it happens in the first place). Or fix the explosion prop so it's actually called 'Explosion' and not 'Explosio'. The possibilities are endless!

05-04-2022, 11:03 PM	#42
Old Rivers Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8,385	Correcting the spelling of 'explosio' feels like sacrilege.

05-04-2022, 11:18 PM	#43
Lord Blazer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 17,459	Explosio is an actor, not a prop, hence the name

05-04-2022, 11:27 PM	#45
Brimz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,317	Congratulations Foone and everyone else involved! Really excited to see that the source was finally released after all these years. I was following the Twitter threads for a while but this was totally unexpected.
Brimz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,317

05-04-2022, 11:29 PM	#46
Plopilpy 3dmm.com President Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 5,194	Will Maltby is going to post in here next

05-04-2022, 11:41 PM	#47
PizzaLuigi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 3,284	Hope Foone posts more about 3dmm all these old users coming back is pretty awesome.

05-04-2022, 11:56 PM	#48
Gavin Owers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,950	Fine, let's keep Explosio then. Looking at the source code, for me the most interesting file is SITOBREN.CPP, which is a utility they used to convert Softimage .hrc files into 3dmm's chunk format, including the backgrounds. If someone were to find a copy of Softimage Creative Environment 2.x and emulate a Silicon Graphics system, you could potentially make your own backgrounds and actors from scratch like the pros did (but why would you?). But for me, it's figuring out the camera chunk data. I want to recreate the 3dmm backgrounds using point cloud data so you can explore them in 3D, but I haven't been able to figure out the view projection matrix for 3dmm's cameras.

05-05-2022, 12:21 AM	#49
PizzaLuigi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 3,284	Not sure if i’ll use 3dmm 2 but I feel like that’d be in the same vain as refusing to use V3dmm when that came out.

05-05-2022, 12:24 AM	#50
PizzaLuigi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 3,284	This is awesome I think we’re seeing a 3dmm renaissance happening before our eyes.