Afterthoughts: Blake Walker:Homeland

Dan Luke · 11-23-2001, 03:52 AM

Well it was a Sunday and I had nowhere to go so i though "What the hell why dont i watch a movie" I turned in my computer and popped in 3dmm. So many movies that i could chose from on my hard drive. I had a hard time making up my mind.

After a while I decided to watch Homeland which i hadnt seen in a while. Just after watching the first 3 minutes I was set into a trace. Nothing could destroy my complete and utter attention to my computer monitor. No, It wasnt the animation. And no, it wasnt the voice acting. But the story, which was truly top-notch. The last time that i had seen something this original i was watching "Mental Cases". The movie just was fun to watch. You could feel what the family was feeling and, watch as a mans life is abruptly spun upside down. The music was great, and the fight scene was nice. Even though this movie was a little dated, it still has one of the best storys to date. Why cant there be more movies like this?
Homeland 8/10

Jonathan Snell · 11-23-2001, 05:57 AM

Yeah, i wanna re-review that, could u send it to me, as 3dmm.co.uk is down at the moment. snellj@rvvs.com

Jonathan Snell · 11-23-2001, 08:33 AM

Never mind I got it from explode.

Homeland:
If any of you remember, when this came out I worshipped it, i called it the best drama ever made, and other such gracious praises. My views at that time were simply that the movie was too smart for me. I thought it was an artistic movie not to be taken literally, but to be taken as sort of an analogy on life, much like David Lynch movies(kinda). But now I'm smarter, I haven't seen a movie yet that was too smart for me, and now seeing this again, I see what it truley was.

The movie was simply emotions/dramas/feelings-whatever you want to call it-strung together with a very loose plot to make it seem like its actually a story. You have your ironic death with the dad being killed, you have loss when the son is killed, you have a feeling of being robbed-and nothing is in your control-with the bobs putting them in the basement, and of course the many reflections of life these have. But in reality theres no story to hold it together, this would be fine if the movie had another purpose other than story telling, like if it was trying to come across as a dream, or one mans perception and other such distortions of reality. But everything in this movie points to it simply being this mans story, and that being said, there is very little elements that actually make sence.For people who have seen the movie: Such as when he sneezes and the dad is thrown back. There is nothing in this movie to suggest any form of distortion from reality, and infact the director wants you to believe that a man can actually be thrown back from a sneeze. The whole concept of letting this Bob guy into the house is rediculous, completely unrealistic. Ect.

Conclusion: Tips for everyone
As for the technical side. The music is stolen from American Beauty, and this was actually the first movie to do it. Good choice in music! The only thing i could nit pick would be that the song by Nirvana at the end is in a different key than the rest of the sound track, I don't really expect people to follow that, as it's really hard, and most people don't know to use the same key throughout their movies. The animation is fine, no gripes by me. The direction is quite good. Nothin fancy, which works GREAT. Direction and soundtrack and technigue shouldn't be noticed, you shouldnt see the movie and think "awesome cinematography." That kind of defeats the purpose, since technique is there as simply a means to tell the story, and not show itself off. The voices are fine.

3/5

Jonathan Snell · 11-23-2001, 08:57 AM

Homeland2 by Spencer Crabb:
Much like the first one in many respects. I wonder if Blake sent an origanal script to spencer for this.

I liked this one more than the first, it's a shame it didn't get noticed at all, It's been released for a while now i think. In this part you get the opposite of number one. Instead of simply being a bunch of emotions strung together with a reasonable story or artistic style that needed no story, this one was strung together quite nice but lacked any significant message or theme.

Right of from the start(much like the first) you can tell this isn't the story of a mans life or anything, because it's too unrealistic. In this case you have a whole town run by a bunch of people called the Bobs, and yet again the city is taken over by someone else. So I watch it assuming it's simply an analogy of life in a nice artistic presentation. BUT unlike the first one, there is no message, not a good one anyway. In this the bad guys seem to win and repent and live with the first beings. I don't see any signifacnce here. What would have been good is if the Bobs saw their wrong, and instead of killing everyone and yet living themselves(implying that the new guys were evil, even though they are simply doing the same things) they should have found a way to restore the city back to normal, or to make peace among everyone.

Three quarters through, the movie also changes into a lame excuse for an action movie. Ugh.

The technicals are MUCH the same as the first one.

Over all I would say this is decent, but simply misguided.

3/5

Jonathan Snell · 11-23-2001, 09:03 AM

Homeland3 by Matt Mcgowan:
This is the worst of all three. It fails on both levels the other two couldnt seem to be consitant at. Instead of being a non literal movie, simply making a comment on life, it is a literal movie about Bob. As well there is no message or theme, unlike the last two.

The story is very litteral, and given that, the fact that a landlord would kill a guy over RENT, is stupid. As is the fact that Bob kills him.

Then three quarters through, much like the second one, the movie turns action and really gets worse from there.

Technically this one is much the same as the first two except the animation and scenery are more creative.

2/5

Dan Luke · 11-24-2001, 10:57 PM

Homeland3:
This was an okay movie, but it took a different turn in the series...

The series was no longer philosophy based, but just a bland mix of things spewd together and baked. Please Blake, take no offense (although you did not direct the movie), but the series had lost something there.

Most of the series had been a fairy tale, now it was a more reality based movie. No more bizarre elements...Wait I take that back...there is a landlord who kills Bob's little brother over rent...(which as Snell said made no sense)...

Another thing, You have a realistic setting while bizarre things are taking place...they dont really mix

in the end you will end up sitting and staring at your computer stupidly and blankly. Woundering what the whole point of it was.

Homeland:
5/10
Lack of originality

Dan Luke · 11-24-2001, 11:18 PM

Hey these afterthoughts subject is really cool...I think i'll do one a week...I dont want any bullshit in these though just serious reviews...I want lots of people to post their opinion...

Jonathan Snell · 11-25-2001, 08:16 AM

I like what your saying, it sounds like me. Often I can't imagine how anyone could understand what I'm saying, simply because it's hard to convey such frail concepts over the internet. But I understand what your saying...

You should just review all the movies that come out, that's what I do. And lately theres only like 3 or 4 a week anyway.

Dan Luke · 11-25-2001, 04:51 PM

Yeah but I dont have free time...(nor the hardrive space). Okay I have the next topic...Its gonna be The Second Chance...check it out...

Dan Luke · 11-25-2001, 04:54 PM

The hard thing about the internet is grammer, and style of speaking. People have a hard time determining if you are joking, being sarcastic, or serious. You have to explain everything throught text....which is time consuming and very hard to do...

11-25-2001, 05:14 PM

That hurt...

*walks away*

Jonathan Snell · 11-25-2001, 06:46 PM

Dan if your gonna do this, you need to have a different topic for each movie, because in a few weeks this post will have like 40 replies, and if no ones bothered to read it, they wont start then. So make a new topic for each movie called "Afterthought of___" or something.

Andres · 11-25-2001, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Snell
I like what your saying, it sounds like me.

Jonathan Snell · 11-26-2001, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Dale Carnegie
The only reason any one does anything, is out of selfish motivation.

Try and give me a situation where someone is doing something for someone else, that isn't out of selfish motivation.

Andres · 11-26-2001, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Snell
I like what your saying, it sounds like me.

11-23-2001, 03:52 AM	#1
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827	Afterthoughts: Blake Walker:Homeland Well it was a Sunday and I had nowhere to go so i though "What the hell why dont i watch a movie" I turned in my computer and popped in 3dmm. So many movies that i could chose from on my hard drive. I had a hard time making up my mind. After a while I decided to watch Homeland which i hadnt seen in a while. Just after watching the first 3 minutes I was set into a trace. Nothing could destroy my complete and utter attention to my computer monitor. No, It wasnt the animation. And no, it wasnt the voice acting. But the story, which was truly top-notch. The last time that i had seen something this original i was watching "Mental Cases". The movie just was fun to watch. You could feel what the family was feeling and, watch as a mans life is abruptly spun upside down. The music was great, and the fight scene was nice. Even though this movie was a little dated, it still has one of the best storys to date. Why cant there be more movies like this? Homeland 8/10
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827

11-24-2001, 10:57 PM	#6
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827	Homeland3: This was an okay movie, but it took a different turn in the series... The series was no longer philosophy based, but just a bland mix of things spewd together and baked. Please Blake, take no offense (although you did not direct the movie), but the series had lost something there. Most of the series had been a fairy tale, now it was a more reality based movie. No more bizarre elements...Wait I take that back...there is a landlord who kills Bob's little brother over rent...(which as Snell said made no sense)... Another thing, You have a realistic setting while bizarre things are taking place...they dont really mix in the end you will end up sitting and staring at your computer stupidly and blankly. Woundering what the whole point of it was. Homeland: 5/10 Lack of originality
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827

11-24-2001, 11:18 PM	#7
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827	Hey these afterthoughts subject is really cool...I think i'll do one a week...I dont want any bullshit in these though just serious reviews...I want lots of people to post their opinion...
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827

11-25-2001, 04:51 PM	#9
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827	Yeah but I dont have free time...(nor the hardrive space). Okay I have the next topic...Its gonna be The Second Chance...check it out...
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827

11-25-2001, 04:54 PM	#10
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827	The hard thing about the internet is grammer, and style of speaking. People have a hard time determining if you are joking, being sarcastic, or serious. You have to explain everything throught text....which is time consuming and very hard to do...
Dan Luke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,827

11-23-2001, 05:57 AM	#2
Jonathan Snell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	Yeah, i wanna re-review that, could u send it to me, as 3dmm.co.uk is down at the moment. snellj@rvvs.com

11-23-2001, 08:33 AM	#3
Jonathan Snell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	Never mind I got it from explode. Homeland: If any of you remember, when this came out I worshipped it, i called it the best drama ever made, and other such gracious praises. My views at that time were simply that the movie was too smart for me. I thought it was an artistic movie not to be taken literally, but to be taken as sort of an analogy on life, much like David Lynch movies(kinda). But now I'm smarter, I haven't seen a movie yet that was too smart for me, and now seeing this again, I see what it truley was. The movie was simply emotions/dramas/feelings-whatever you want to call it-strung together with a very loose plot to make it seem like its actually a story. You have your ironic death with the dad being killed, you have loss when the son is killed, you have a feeling of being robbed-and nothing is in your control-with the bobs putting them in the basement, and of course the many reflections of life these have. But in reality theres no story to hold it together, this would be fine if the movie had another purpose other than story telling, like if it was trying to come across as a dream, or one mans perception and other such distortions of reality. But everything in this movie points to it simply being this mans story, and that being said, there is very little elements that actually make sence.For people who have seen the movie: Such as when he sneezes and the dad is thrown back. There is nothing in this movie to suggest any form of distortion from reality, and infact the director wants you to believe that a man can actually be thrown back from a sneeze. The whole concept of letting this Bob guy into the house is rediculous, completely unrealistic. Ect. Conclusion: Tips for everyone As for the technical side. The music is stolen from American Beauty, and this was actually the first movie to do it. Good choice in music! The only thing i could nit pick would be that the song by Nirvana at the end is in a different key than the rest of the sound track, I don't really expect people to follow that, as it's really hard, and most people don't know to use the same key throughout their movies. The animation is fine, no gripes by me. The direction is quite good. Nothin fancy, which works GREAT. Direction and soundtrack and technigue shouldn't be noticed, you shouldnt see the movie and think "awesome cinematography." That kind of defeats the purpose, since technique is there as simply a means to tell the story, and not show itself off. The voices are fine. 3/5

11-23-2001, 08:57 AM	#4
Jonathan Snell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	Homeland2 by Spencer Crabb: Much like the first one in many respects. I wonder if Blake sent an origanal script to spencer for this. I liked this one more than the first, it's a shame it didn't get noticed at all, It's been released for a while now i think. In this part you get the opposite of number one. Instead of simply being a bunch of emotions strung together with a reasonable story or artistic style that needed no story, this one was strung together quite nice but lacked any significant message or theme. Right of from the start(much like the first) you can tell this isn't the story of a mans life or anything, because it's too unrealistic. In this case you have a whole town run by a bunch of people called the Bobs, and yet again the city is taken over by someone else. So I watch it assuming it's simply an analogy of life in a nice artistic presentation. BUT unlike the first one, there is no message, not a good one anyway. In this the bad guys seem to win and repent and live with the first beings. I don't see any signifacnce here. What would have been good is if the Bobs saw their wrong, and instead of killing everyone and yet living themselves(implying that the new guys were evil, even though they are simply doing the same things) they should have found a way to restore the city back to normal, or to make peace among everyone. Three quarters through, the movie also changes into a lame excuse for an action movie. Ugh. The technicals are MUCH the same as the first one. Over all I would say this is decent, but simply misguided. 3/5

11-23-2001, 09:03 AM	#5
Jonathan Snell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	Homeland3 by Matt Mcgowan: This is the worst of all three. It fails on both levels the other two couldnt seem to be consitant at. Instead of being a non literal movie, simply making a comment on life, it is a literal movie about Bob. As well there is no message or theme, unlike the last two. The story is very litteral, and given that, the fact that a landlord would kill a guy over RENT, is stupid. As is the fact that Bob kills him. Then three quarters through, much like the second one, the movie turns action and really gets worse from there. Technically this one is much the same as the first two except the animation and scenery are more creative. 2/5

11-25-2001, 08:16 AM	#8
Jonathan Snell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	I like what your saying, it sounds like me. Often I can't imagine how anyone could understand what I'm saying, simply because it's hard to convey such frail concepts over the internet. But I understand what your saying... You should just review all the movies that come out, that's what I do. And lately theres only like 3 or 4 a week anyway.

11-25-2001, 05:14 PM	#11
Posts: n/a	That hurt... walks away
Posts: n/a

11-25-2001, 06:46 PM	#12
Jonathan Snell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	Dan if your gonna do this, you need to have a different topic for each movie, because in a few weeks this post will have like 40 replies, and if no ones bothered to read it, they wont start then. So make a new topic for each movie called "Afterthought of___" or something.