Iraq N Shit

[Kunio]

Funny, because the Eurovision contest is better appreciated if you consider the rating criteria to be composed of fruityness.
To me, the song has acheived such a level of stupdity and flamboyantness that it made a hole into the concept of Flamboyant and it's starting to achieve bizarre levels of "fagawesome".

[Cal Flavell]

Dani and I watched the semi-finals last night... the only good songs I heard were the ones from Malta, the Ukraine, and Portugal. And I think Albania, but I might be thinking of another one (I'm talking about one with a guy and a chick singing, and towards the end of the performance the guy takes of his jacket and his shirt has a love heart on it).

My mum kept making fun of the dress that the Portugese chick wore, and though I hate the song "Shake It", it's been stuck in my head all day. Damn that hairy Greek bastard.

What struck me the most was how much more talent Australian pop singers have than European pop singers. I mean, seriously, some of those Eurovision singers were painfully bad and wouldn't even make it past one audition of Australian Idol.

[Kunio]

It's suprising that Portugal did something interesting for 8 years. The last time I remember a portuguese song having success was one that involved a manly woman screaming on how she would like to be bitten and thrown into a basket, like an apple.

My ACTUAL favourites (As in quality, not as in "Bad enough to be good") were the Ukranian, the Portuguese, the Estonian and I think it was the Albanian.

[Cal Flavell]

The Estonian one was the one with the five chicks and one drumming fat guy, yeah? I didn't like it much, though the drummer was pretty crazy (drumming with his hands and head).

[Rabid Dinosaur]

Originally posted by Damage Jackal
uh, dude, your logic is pretty flawed here. cutting someone's head off isn't necessarily torture. murder, yes, torture, no. torture is being stripped naked and having savage dogs set on you. or being sodomised with a broom.

I'd rather be killed instantly; painlessly. Getting your head sawed off is more torturous in my opinion than, say, being forced to have sex with other men while being held at gunpoint... which I don't quite understand, it's so bizarre and stupid. Now I'm not saying that things like having dogs sicced on you while you're naked or being sodomized with a broom are not torture, because they most certainly are. Just keep in mind that having your head cut off would fucking hurt until they hit something important.

I don't know why I made this post really, ignore it if you want... I don't like arguing.

[Damien Jasper]

Originally posted by Xclexski
http://www.medalofhonor.com/DesmondDoss1.htm

Hey, um, read this and tell me what you think and stuff.

I haven't read the whole thing yet. I just want you to know, that from what I've read that I think I should inform you that I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist. Sure, we both count as Christians, him and I. But I chose a different path. God gave me an extremely merciful heart and I'll not deny it.

[Anthropophagus]

Originally posted by Xclexski
Uh, this is a totally false statment. Just look at any poll...

i suppose i should clarify my statement. no one that is worth mentioning likes President Bush. angry rednecks and blind conservatives don't count as intelligent people worthy of mention. President Bush is one of the worst things to happen to this country. despite what any poll says, he is mocked and laughed at by the general public with reckless abandon, much moreso than any president i've ever seen first-hand.

Andres, government or not - while it's not exactly humane or dignified to put a saddle on a fat woman, i would rather be demeaned than brutally murdered. someone can ride me with a saddle all they like. i'd take that over slow, painful death any day of the week. the two absolutely do not compare, regardless of who is committing the acts. even if you factor in the acts of torture we commit... at some point, you have to go the right way and stop engaging in an ongoing manhood competition. this isn't a high school locker room. we should be able to treat each other with decency and respect. i think the fact that humans are fighting over such inconsequential (in the long run) matters is sad and pitiful.

[Steve Adair]

Originally posted by Sapone

much moreso than any president i've ever seen first-hand.

and how many presidents is that? 2 including george bush?

unless you followed politics in preschool, 3 then

[Scatterbrain]

He he he...

Any chance this could go to the Archives? I think there's been a load of exceptionally good points made. Plus some people have had their attempts at shutting some of us shoved back up their ass...worth keeping...

[Xclexski]

Originally posted by Damien Jasper
I just want you to know, that from what I've read that I think I should inform you that I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist.

That's not really the point... Keep on reading it.

Originally posted by Scatterbrain
He he he...

Any chance this could go to the Archives? I think there's been a load of exceptionally good points made. Plus some people have had their attempts at shutting some of us shoved back up their ass...worth keeping...

Dude, I'm still waiting for you to prove that we're losing the war. Cuz that was what started the whole big discussion in this thread.

[Jeremy Dick]

Exactly..

[Dave Miles]

so has your bro killed anyone.

[Jeremy Dick]

all the time.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Sapone
Andres, government or not - while it's not exactly humane or dignified to put a saddle on a fat woman, i would rather be demeaned than brutally murdered. someone can ride me with a saddle all they like. i'd take that over slow, painful death any day of the week. the two absolutely do not compare, regardless of who is committing the acts.

Muslim culture is NOT Western culture.

[Xclexski]

Hey Dick, dood, what unit is your brother with?

[Anthropophagus]

Originally posted by Sanzibar
and how many presidents is that? 2 including george bush?

shut up. he's worse than any president i've seen first-hand, but he's also worse than the majority of presidents i've learned about. obviously i'm not old enough to have witnessed some of the great presidents, but Bush is still worse than the two i can recall. Bush is beyond stupidity. Yahoo News glorifies Bush all the time as if he's North America's savior. i read a story about Bush's decision to enter into war with Iraq and he was made to look brave and capable throughout. the truth is that Bush is a moron and his current way of handling things needs to go. Bush has embarassed the United States before the entire world and i feel worse than ever to be American.

Andres, i don't get the point behind these statements you keep making. ok, obviously we are two different societies. i won't argue that Western culture is the "right" culture, because that's a whole issue of opinion. i don't really care if Muslim culture isn't Western culture. regardless of conditioning and our peaceful American environment, it should be commonplace knowledge that brutal murder is wrong. that's like shitting on someone's living room rug.

[Xclexski]

Bush is the best president since Reagan.

[Andres]

Muslims have their culture, Jon. And in their culture, the difference between being brutally murdered and being forced to have gay oral sex is not the same difference as it is in our western culture, so before we start talking about how better it is for them to be humilliated than killed, we should realize that their belief system and way of life is not the same, therefore we can't really make generalizations about what's better or worse as torture for them.

[Steve Adair]

the terms of the 1991 surrender agreement ordered iraq to have to comply with anything that the UN wanted (weapons inspections, etc.) and it said that if saddam and his regime did not comply, they would attack again and take saddams regime out for good. during the clinton era, iraq stopped letting weapons inspectors in, so we should have attacked back then.

[Anthropophagus]

man, fuck their culture. fuck culture in general. if i formed a culture that revolved around eating feces and tickling infants' assholes, would you still respect it, simply so you can say you respected it? people are so un-easy about disrespecting things such as a different culture... face it, their culture is nothing more than established bullshit. if any human can honestly tell me that they would rather have their head slowly severed than engage in all of that sexual controversy, then there is something sincerely wrong with their perspective. i don't care if it's opinion or not.

[Bown]

George Bush is a total moron. Enough has been said already, so I'll leave it at that.

[Scatterbrain]

Originally posted by Xclexski
Dude, I'm still waiting for you to prove that we're losing the war. Cuz that was what started the whole big discussion in this thread.

Well, 'Dude'...I'm sorry if you're Newscasts are worried about getting The Bush Administration's foot up their ass for actually grabbing their balls, doing their job properly and reporting what the SHOULD be...but the fact that the US and UK forces are losing more people now than they did during the war, and the fact that they have let the country they are trying to 'liberate' descend into pandaemonium thanks to riots and the like, and the fact that the US troops have nothing better to do with these prisoners than to beat, torture and force them to do dispicable acts on both themselves and each other is not really helping anyone prove that they are winning the war.

Plus they have now stated that they will pull out of Iraq the second they are asked (if asked) by the new Iraqi government. That really doesn't hold water in my opinion. They're going on about what a nice job they're doing and how good they're being to the Iraqi people by 'freeing' them...then, if they are asked, they say they won't think twice before packing their bags and getting the hell out of the dump they leave behind...now, if I was winning a 'war' (or post war riots and chaos taking place more than a year later, whichever you choose) then I would have no problem in making sure the country I had 'freed' had an experienced body of people governing it, and was actually safe to leave in the hands of that government. Rather than still hoping for a June 30th deadline when it's quite obvious they'll be leaving them with a useless country just waiting to be brought down by a ragtag band of vagrants and pillagers, if America and Britain don't do this properly, (by which I mean just acting all big and righteous and pretending to free and righteous then running off at the earliest, easiest possible moment), then all this work will have been for nothing...

[Andres]

Originally posted by Sapone
man, fuck their culture. fuck culture in general. if i formed a culture that revolved around eating feces and tickling infants' assholes, would you still respect it, simply so you can say you respected it? people are so un-easy about disrespecting things such as a different culture... face it, their culture is nothing more than established bullshit. if any human can honestly tell me that they would rather have their head slowly severed than engage in all of that sexual controversy, then there is something sincerely wrong with their perspective. i don't care if it's opinion or not.

What you deadbrained yanks think about other people's culture is totally fucking irrelevant. It's their goddamn country, their goddamn religion, their goddamned way of life. Don't get self-righteous, because americans have absolutely NO VALID REASON to even slightly suggest that sexually and psychologically abusing people who consider that the worst that could happen to them (I just read an article which referenced an arab magazine editorial which stated that for many arabs, it would be preferable to die than to be subjected to sodomy and nudity) isn't that bad because their culture sucks anyway. Get the fuck out of here and stop being so goddamn illogical, Jon. There's no defense here. Regardless of any sort of non-existent universal criteria for what sucks and doesn't suck, for these guys being forced to do the things they did is about the most cruel offense possible to them. You should care if it's their opinion, that is the whole fucking point, nimrod. Soldiers don't just creatively come up with "hey, let's strip them and make them suck each other's dicks" out of the fucking blue. There's a reason these particular acts are done, and it is to humilliate, break down, and terrify the people from this country, which have their own specific culture. It's not some fucking random thing, it's what's done to specifically target their fears and dehumanize them, and it's people like you for whom this shit is aimed, so that silly people who only think about their idiotic western culture say "well, that's not too bad, because i think death is worse" and just brush these off as lesser because we're so fucking civilized that we just put horse saddles in people and ride them off. But I mean, it's not so bad, right? I mean, it's not death. Since we can agree on that, Jon, I'll be coming to your house at around 3:00 am to invade you and sodomize you with a chemical light, after which you'll tell me how it fucking feels. What are you gonna do after that, Jon? Personally, I'd lop off the head of anyone related to the assailant, but that's just me.





It's all real easy. Who gets more of my respect?

a) the liberators who go into a country, kill and destroy whatever their bombs can strategically find, and then humilliate and torture mostly innocent people with no regards for their rights?

or

b) the people who are actually natives of their own goddamned country, find themselves being illegally invaded, absurdly sent to jail, and psychologically broken down with sexual abuse, who don't want this shit to happen to their people, so in anger they cut some heads?


Tough call. The parasites, or the ones that have to reduce themselves to the level of the parasite to run them out?

[Steve Adair]

Originally posted by Thomas Bown
George Bush is a total moron. Enough has been said already, so I'll leave it at that.

takes one to know one!

[Dave Miles]

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood