LOKI and Marvel show discussion

[Gorosaurus]

This show is pretty good. If you have Disney Plus for your four year old, I think that you should give it a watch.



Wanda-Vision was pretty bad. It was constructed well, and it promised that it was really smart, but it ended up dumb. I watched it and was entertained through the first 4 or 5 episodes, but mostly because there were clues that there was more than meets the eye. Funny how that last episode really showcased how not-thought-through the plot and concept were, but even to that point if it had stuck the landing it would've been an OK show.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier was royally stupid. It had the best action of any of these shows, but both of the leads are charisma-sucks. Almost every idea they rolled with was a poor one. Oh, MORE super soldiers? Oh cool, they don't even get buff this time, so it's just teenagers kicking people through brick walls. And some guy just created the serum, so it's really not the limited resource we were told it was? And THAT ENDING. Holy cow that was awful. They literally had a five minute discussion about inequality with no solutions offered beyond "DO BETTER!"

You can also tell that there was some sort of virus/plague theme that they edited out, making the whole thing make even less sense.


However, Loki is really good! It really illustrates how a good, charismatic lead can keep a show interesting. The first episode did an awesome job of establishing the tone, catching the uninitiated up on recent events, and introducing characters and basic plot. I've found myself thinking about the plot and what might happen a lot, which is a good sign.

[Kane]

Absolutely loved the latest Loki episode. Specific moment (Ride of the Valkyries) in there gave me chills!

[Bown]

Really enjoyed the first 3 episodes of WandaVision but then they Disneyed it up in episode 4 by spoon-feeding every mystery explanation to the audience like we’re stupid fucking babies. There were good bits in the later episodes (I fucking love Kathryn Hahn so that whole development was very welcome and good) it definitely got weaker overall.

Falco and Winty was largely solid but nothing special until the end. I am still confused about how any single person involved in that thought, as they have stated in interviews, that Walker was actually redeemed in the last episode. Really dumb stuff. Sam’s big speech was pretty awkward too. I think episode 5 was the only episode I thought was above average.

Loki so far has been killer, if a bit too Doctor Who-esque at times. Hiddleston rules and his relationships with Sylvie and Owen Wilson have been developed really well, helped by the fact the cast is just great. And this latest episode was fucking delightful. Really hoping they stick the landing.

[Lord Blazer]

Wandavision good and inventive but did not stick the landing
FATWS put all of its money into fight scenes which is dope because they were dope, but most everything else suffered as a result. Overall meh, but hey USAgent is in the MCU now and that's cool
LOKI is very good, but it needed to frontload some more plot shit if it's only 6 episodes, feels very claustrophobic in the back half. Also could have used some of FATWS's fight money for its own fights because they are roooooooough. Also Owen Wilson at his finest??? Frequently forgetting that it's him.


very excited for whatever the Hawkguy series turns out to be. Love Hawkguy.

[Ben Rice]

haha "hawkguy"

I thought Wandavision was great for the first half but as everyone already said they kinda ruined it by removing the mystery element from the story in episode 4. It was also a show that suffered greatly from having way too many red herrings sparking over the top fan theories, some of them understandable like Mephisto being the behind the scenes villain as an easy example. I honestly thought the show was going to end very differently to how it did, I assumed all the damage Wanda was doing inside the hex (rewriting reality, rewinding time etc.) was safely contained within the hex itself somehow with her chaos magic but the second she would decide to release everyone it would basically cause a multi-verse within the hex (like every version where Vision figured out what was going on) to start bleeding through into the real world, fabric of reality damaged, the multi-verse of madness split open, leading to the next Doctor Strange film. What we got in the end was pretty meh, Vision having a philosophical debate with White Vision was probably the best moment. Also cool to see Wanda actually become the Scarlet Witch after all this time.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier sucked ass. Some of the action set pieces were good, particularly the opening of episode 1 but the story was just not interesting to me. I'm sick of identity politics in my entertainment and while I understand that Captain America has always been a fairly political character, the idea of a whole series essentially revolving around whether or not a black man should take up the mantle is just ridiculous to me. In my opinion what would have been more interesting is Sam Wilson struggling with the idea of being a LEADER, a role model that people look up to like Steve Rogers was. They kind of tried to tackle that a bit with John Walker (by far the best character in the show) but with Sam they of course had to make it about race. Also I HATED the main villain in this show, she was not the least bit interesting, charismatic or threatening in the slightest. I was openly rooting for her to get her stupid face caved in by John Walker in the finale. Speaking of which, I actually kinda loved what they did with him in the finale. I don't see him as being redeemed at all but as a deeply flawed character who ultimately WANTS to be good but is easily manipulated. He's an anti-hero in the comics so I can see that being his future in the MCU. Also Bucky was barely given anything interesting to do and that's a shame as his character has a ton of potential.

I thought Loki got off to a great start, the whole introduction of the TVA felt like something from a Terry Gilliam film, Loki having his mind blown realizing how small even he is in the grand scheme of things was great and the general dissection of his character and villainous motivations I felt was much needed. Hiddleston as always is great in the role. I'd argue though that the second and third episodes were mostly filler though by episode 4 things definitely started picking up again. I dunno where they plan on going with the whole Loki/Sylvie "romance", I was kinda more under the impression it's not a romantic love but more a loving platonic "you're not alone anymore" sorta connection. Yesterdays episode was a lot of fun with all the Loki variants (you can really tell the writers of Rick and Morty were involved with this haha). Really hoping Kang the Conqueror is involved in some way, lot of signs are pointing towards it and I've been waiting years for this dude to show up in the MCU. I know he's coming later down the line in a future film but I just hope this is where he gets his introduction.

[Lord Blazer]

Originally Posted by Ben Rice

haha "hawkguy"

[Jokyfoot]

I loved the first two episodes of Loki. It went downhill when when they got stuck on Lamentis and everything stopped making sense. Last episode seemed ripped right out of rick and Morty. I'm gonna take a guess now that the TVA is currently being run by a Loki Variant.

[Kane]

What stopped making sense to you? I thought they kept it fairly straight forward.

Also not a chance the TVA was made by a Loki. Kang!

[Jokyfoot]

How is the conception of a female Loki (or any Loki with a slight DNA variation, not the moment of a nexus event?

[Kane]

Spoilers:https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories...oki_episode_4/

This is a good possibility^. All of the alt Loki's were delving off their paths in different ways which is why the TVA came for them. Hopefully we find out in the last episode, because the elevator scene didn't clear it up.

[Gorosaurus]

I agree with what everyone said here- glad to see that I'm in good company.

Wandavision was cool until they gave up the mystery- and gaslighting the fans can be fun in doses, but having it be the first/only new content in over a year made for ridiculous expectations. The Quicksilver thing, as they did it, was a horrible decision and comes off as mean-spirited and absolutely intentional. I think that Loki is doing a much better job of teasing comic/movie connections that they don't intend to run with. The acting is ten times better.

My wife really wanted to see Black Widow, but we can't quite make a theatre trip work with an infant at home, so we paid the ridiculous fees on Disney Plus.

That movie was HOT TRASH. Holy mackerel, it might be the worst comic book movie since Wonder Woman 1984 (okay, so that's just a few months.. but still). I couldn't believe how bad it was. It's not that it couldn't have been fun, but woo..

It also came across as the biggest cash grab yet in the Marvel portfolio. The story didn't answer any questions you might have asked about Black Widow, nor did it move any story forward minus the lame-o after credits bit. The entire movie seemed set on telling us that the Budapest mission was 10 times more interesting than this story, and the end 'goal' of this movie was to explain how Black Widow got the jet and the vest she wore in Infinity War. Who asked those questions??

UGH. The fake accents and whiny family drama throughout were miserable. The action was OK, but the story didn't actually make a lick of sense. They went with pheromones controlling people? WHY?? That can (and sorta did) get defeated with nose plugs. There are millions of Black Widows around the globe? WHAT. HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? The Taskmaster knew where Nat was and the magic vials were because...? The mom character actively helped the bad guy mind control all these girls, and all is forgiven without mention? And now there's even MORE super soldiers, because anyone can just create that serum?

Well, it's getting quite comic book accurate in that it's over-complicated and self-contradictory.

[Lord Blazer]

Originally Posted by Jokyfoot

How is the conception of a female Loki (or any Loki with a slight DNA variation, not the moment of a nexus event?

I've got some news for you--
nexus events and the sacred timeline are bullshit concepts that don't mean anything in-universe because the TVA is fake and lies

[Bown]

I thought Black Widow was fine. I like Florence Pugh. But after several weeks of all these shows I’m so sick of the one kind of joke Marvel knows how to tell

[Ben Rice]

Gotta agree with Goro on Black Widow, it kinda stunk. Much as I like Scarlett in the role the story was fucking shite, Taskmaster was utterly ruined (if you can even call that Taskmaster) and it really felt like David Harbour and Rachel Weiz's characters got off way too easy, like they were both pretty much complicit in a lot of seriously shady shit but suddenly in the present day they're suddenly "WE FIGHT WITH YOU NATASHA" and when all is done they face no real consequences.

Honestly if I were to have re-written the story I'd keep it mostly the same, have Natasha team up with her family to take down the Red Room but have the reveal be that that Drakov dude actually did die in Budapest and that Taskmaster was the real villain all along, mimicking him and keeping everyone of his scent (in my version Taskmaster is not Drakovs daughter and is more like the comics) while he plays the mindless henchman role they essentially play for real in the ACTUAL film. I see the motive being this version of Taskmaster took control of the Red Room after Natasha originally brought it down and is now creating and training new deadlier Black Widows to sell on to the highest bidder, as the REAL Taskmaster in the comics is a money driven mercenary who trains other bad guys I felt this would be a nice way to blend these elements together to serve the story. I guess my version would end relatively the same only I'd have Taskmaster escape and be set up to show up in a future film or Disney+ show. Just make the character more than essentially Winter Soldier 2.0, Taskmaster is an cool character and deserves way better than what they got in this movie.

[Bown]

Loki finale god I fuckin love Jonathan Majors

[Ben Rice]

so freaking happy with the finale and love how it not only sets up an interesting second season in itself but also changes the MCU in such a massive way going forward.

also amazing how they just introduced kang the conqueror but at the same time they didn't, now that we've seen this version of him i'm really excited now at the idea of jonathan majors potentially playing all these different variants of him, some good some bad but i imagine the very worst of them will be the true kang the conqueror who will fight the avengers some time in the future. it's nice to see marvel are doing something different with him regarding setting him up as the next big bad rather than copy and pasting what they did with thanos. definitely invested in seeing where this all goes.

[Lord Blazer]

I did not expect it to be Immortus.

Hell yeah.

[Autistic British Jackass]

Welp, did not watch Loki... but i know its on Disney+



Also. My favourite Marvel TV Show is "Shut the Fuck Up"

[Plopilpy]

I'm guessing that show is your favourite, not because of the plot, but because of the name itself?

[Gorosaurus]

The music in LOKI is really awesome. Great job all around- not perfect, but definitely worthwhile and a lot of fun. There's a good level of polish on the art direction as well, which I enjoy.

I have next to no interest in What-If and Hawkeye, or whatever other shows they've got lined up. Loki has me intrigued by whatever Ant Man movie is coming, which is quite the coup.

[PaytonJerryM]

Loki seems like an interesting cartoon and I am glad that the show is good for four year olds. But are you sure that a four year old are comfortable with watching dangerous and dark shows?

[Ben Rice]

what the fuck are you talking about

[Plopilpy]

Originally Posted by Ben Rice

what the fuck are you talking about

[Kane]

I'm so glad Payton is here to ruin the few threads we actually get