Back in the day, did you have a concept of 'Internet Quality' for your movies?

Brossy · 05-03-2021, 09:06 AM

As in, you'd make a bunch of rubbish and save it. Your save folder would just be a bunch of clips and rubbish you'd been playing with.

You might show one of your friends if you've voiced it or thought it was funny or cool, or force your parents or siblings to watch it etc.

Then you found people uploading 3dmm movies. You downloaded and watched them, and went "Wow! It had titles! It had a plot! There were all these cool effects in it! Wow you can use L for guns?!?!" etc.

You saw the quality involved in a movie that was 'released'. You thought to yourself "Ok, I've really got to make something good. It can't just be crappy nothing, I've gotta plan it out. I can't have long boring bits or 'tests' of animations.... Ive gotta make it good enough to show other people".

And thus, you gained a concept of 'Internet Quality'. You knew a 'movie' had to have certain elements to be worthy enough to bother uploading and expecting people to watch it.

You had phrases like "This is my first internet release", or comments referencing other 3dmm movies they'd seen, hoping people liked it as much as that one. Comments about other movies they'd seen inspiring them.

Is that just me?

Is it COMPLETELY lost?

All the 'movies' that get released here are.... the rubbish you'd save on your hard drive and not show people. Why are there "my first ever movie" being uploaded? You save your first ever movie, and occasionally load up the file yourself to laugh at it. You don't put it online to waste everyone's time just to prove you own the program and are capable of saving a file in it.

It's like the equivalent of an art community that has people uploaded pictures of stick people they made in ms paint.

I don't get it. The movie making side of the community is basically dead because of this. The 3dmm release function turned 3dmm into TikTok featuring 3dmm.

Why are kids just uploading stupid shit? There's no self quality control or embarrassment about what's being put out into the world.

As a result, no one watches anything so there's no reviews, no anything to go off to gauge how good you are. People that do watch, they post their opinions about how terrible and rubbish and a waste of time it is.... and it just falls on deaf ears.

There's no bar of quality here at all. There's no reason to try to get or be better when you can just upload "Rocko crosses the road!" which is literally just dragging rocko across the road with the default walk animation at the default speed, then going "Watch this movie!!! It stars Rocko!!! Do you like it?!?!". Then.... not listening to the response, or changing anything, just uploading the next bullshit clip you save in 3dmm.

People used to have to be convinced to spend the time to even watch movies based on other's reactions and reviews. The 3dmm release forum is now just a giant, worldwide collaborative ms kids save folder.

I think a GREAT way to get some quality control would be to make a sort of '3dmm release PLATINUM' forum, run by Plopilpy. Only releases that meet a bare minimum quality get posted there.

It would instantly set a bar to strive for. Kids who've just gotten the program could see what is needed to put something out that people will actually watch.

It could easily have a sticky post of 'Classics' too, so the old bar of quality wouldn't be lost.

I really could go on, but this post is already probably way too long for many of you to get through.

Nixon · 05-03-2021, 01:35 PM

i think Old Rivers would be a better person to select the quality stuff, he is more active as an animator and isn’t 12

Plopilpy · 05-03-2021, 02:09 PM

I am flattered, Brossy.

EDIT: C'mon, Nickson. I agree that Old Rivers would be a good pick as well but I've been playing around with 3DMM again recently, I was streaming some animation stuff in a voice call with a friend yesterday. Also I'm 14

PizzaLuigi · 05-03-2021, 03:20 PM

I like the idea of a 3dmm release PLATINUM forum I think it could motivate noobies by giving them a goal to strive to and make quality movies in the process I do think Old Rivers would be better pick tho.

Kane · 05-03-2021, 03:37 PM

I back the Plop recommendation, he knows what's garbage and what isn't, and he's active a ton. It'd slow the release of new movies (even more lol), but hopefully it'd set a bar for people to reach.

Brossy · 05-03-2021, 03:38 PM

Sure, Old Rivers too. I'm out of the loop, but Plop seems like he's seen every 3dmm movie that's ever existed. It's insane.

Whoever. Just someone active, who watches the releases and knows what is actually worth watching.

PizzaLuigi · 05-03-2021, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brossy

Whoever. Just someone active, who watches the releases and knows what is actually worth watching.

When you say it like that I guess Ploppers would be a fine choice

Nixon · 05-03-2021, 04:49 PM

whats the point in goat adding another moderator just for that though? i feel like moderating jobs are probably very little for French fry and Rivers as it is so it’d make sense to give them something to do with their newly appointed statuses

and i still continue to back my own ideals for this site that 2 years isn’t long enough for someone to be given powers nor is 14 old enough, everyone who has been 14 and since aged knows that if they were given site powers on 3dmm.com back at that age it would have ended badly. ploppy holds too many grudges too. we went over this during the original moderating thing.

PizzaLuigi · 05-03-2021, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixon

whats the point in goat adding another moderator just for that though? i feel like moderating jobs are probably very little for French fry and Rivers as it is so it’d make sense to give them something to do with their newly appointed statuses

and i still continue to back my own ideals for this site that 2 years isn’t long enough for someone to be given powers nor is 14 old enough, everyone who has been 14 and since aged knows that if they were given site powers on 3dmm.com back at that age it would have ended badly. ploppy holds too many grudges too. we went over this during the original moderating thing.

You got a point there

French Fry · 05-03-2021, 06:25 PM

I remember discussing with Old Rivers on how to incentivize movie making, but Brossy brings up a good point from that conversation. Kids will just throw together the most half-assed piece of shit movie for the sake of completion.

Nixon · 05-03-2021, 06:39 PM

i dont think there are any kids these days that would have the attention span to create the sorta movies people were making back then, theres too many other devices and applications now, making a 3dmm movie is more of a test / public display of will and patience than it is a creative expression like it used to be.

French Fry · 05-03-2021, 06:57 PM

I like the idea of curating a "Platinum Releases" section. One sub-forum could have classic films to show new users what to strive towards, and another could have new releases deemed worthy enough for McZee's Platinum Film Badge.
Although, we already sorta have something like that in the form of the Movie Showcase. A classics section would be nice to dig up some older movies.

Kane · 05-03-2021, 07:06 PM

I like this ^

Nixon · 05-03-2021, 10:15 PM

yeah all together this idea makes a ton of sense to have a new section, it would help ppl like ploppy too who are kind enough to archive old stuff

Dustin Guest · 05-04-2021, 01:38 AM

I feel like directors back when this all started had SOME interest in an aspect of film. Whether they wanted to be legit directors or create comedy or something like that. I feel like this new generation just doesn’t share that passion at all. It’s all about making as little effort as possible and expecting some sort of accolades. Plus there’s the aspect that a lot of our newer users are just not that creative. So much of their movies just throw random characters from old cartoons and video games into random situations.

The problem is, there’s no attempt to entertain anyone but themselves and they either can’t or won’t respond at all to criticism. That kind of kills any forward momentum. I’m gonna be an arrogant dick and say the stuff I’ve worked on is light years beyond the norm nowadays, and I STILL worry about how it’s going to be received.

Hell, I expected like...maybe a couple people to like 10-34. That’s largely due to the standard we all held each other to back in the day. Everybody held you to a standard so, if you wanted to last, you had to hold YOURSELF to a standard. I don’t think that exists now.

Plopilpy · 05-04-2021, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dustin Guest

I feel like this new generation either just doesn’t share that passion at all.

There are a handful of us who actually try (Pokerman, Me, CartoonsAreDead, Pizza Luigi, Hans Grosse).

PizzaLuigi · 05-04-2021, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Plopilpy

There are a handful of us who actually try (Pokerman, Me, CartoonsAreDead, Pizza Luigi, Hans Grosse).

To be fair tho we’ve hardly released any movies

Dustin Guest · 05-04-2021, 01:54 AM

I’ve pretty much been here since the beginning and I’ve had what? Maybe 10 movies in 23 years? Quality, not quantity man. Keep working!

Ben Rice · 05-04-2021, 01:15 PM

I remember when I started making my Mike and Sam movies I decided they were not gonna be released on here as I didn't think anyone here would actually like them, after six episodes though I thought "fuck it" and released them anyway and was surprised that people actually enjoyed them, at the very least for the fun animation. Flash forward to now and I'd argue the series was probably one of the more noteworthy things I released during my time, the final episode remains in my opinion the best 3dmm movie I had ever made. The one time I chose to ignore the readings on my "internet quality" meter and release the series anyway may have been one of the best things I did.

Brossy · 05-04-2021, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin Guest

I feel like directors back when this all started had SOME interest in an aspect of film. Whether they wanted to be legit directors or create comedy or something like that.

Haha wow. I didn't realize 3dmm was me having an outlet for a deep seeded comedy bug.

Now Covid is dying down, I feel like it'd be a perfect time to get back to stand up comedy. SO many people in lockdown would have convinced themselves they're funny. I feel like the open mic stages are going to be FLOODED wither terrible terrible comedians. 80% of the material is going to be bad attempts at covid jokes for starters.

PizzaLuigi · 06-26-2021, 09:20 AM

Y’know I think we should bring this discussion back a platinum releases thread would really be good there are pretty good movies being made but it’s all just covered up by garbage being spewed out maybe we don’t even need a platinum releases thread just some quality control on the main thread I mean just look at this it’s just horrible

Allergic 2 Life · 06-30-2021, 06:45 AM

The passion we all had back in the day eh?!?!

Edit: Or I should say the amount of time we spent creating. Good times!

05-03-2021, 09:06 AM	#1
Brossy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,376	Back in the day, did you have a concept of 'Internet Quality' for your movies? As in, you'd make a bunch of rubbish and save it. Your save folder would just be a bunch of clips and rubbish you'd been playing with. You might show one of your friends if you've voiced it or thought it was funny or cool, or force your parents or siblings to watch it etc. Then you found people uploading 3dmm movies. You downloaded and watched them, and went "Wow! It had titles! It had a plot! There were all these cool effects in it! Wow you can use L for guns?!?!" etc. You saw the quality involved in a movie that was 'released'. You thought to yourself "Ok, I've really got to make something good. It can't just be crappy nothing, I've gotta plan it out. I can't have long boring bits or 'tests' of animations.... Ive gotta make it good enough to show other people". And thus, you gained a concept of 'Internet Quality'. You knew a 'movie' had to have certain elements to be worthy enough to bother uploading and expecting people to watch it. You had phrases like "This is my first internet release", or comments referencing other 3dmm movies they'd seen, hoping people liked it as much as that one. Comments about other movies they'd seen inspiring them. Is that just me? Is it COMPLETELY lost? All the 'movies' that get released here are.... the rubbish you'd save on your hard drive and not show people. Why are there "my first ever movie" being uploaded? You save your first ever movie, and occasionally load up the file yourself to laugh at it. You don't put it online to waste everyone's time just to prove you own the program and are capable of saving a file in it. It's like the equivalent of an art community that has people uploaded pictures of stick people they made in ms paint. I don't get it. The movie making side of the community is basically dead because of this. The 3dmm release function turned 3dmm into TikTok featuring 3dmm. Why are kids just uploading stupid shit? There's no self quality control or embarrassment about what's being put out into the world. As a result, no one watches anything so there's no reviews, no anything to go off to gauge how good you are. People that do watch, they post their opinions about how terrible and rubbish and a waste of time it is.... and it just falls on deaf ears. There's no bar of quality here at all. There's no reason to try to get or be better when you can just upload "Rocko crosses the road!" which is literally just dragging rocko across the road with the default walk animation at the default speed, then going "Watch this movie!!! It stars Rocko!!! Do you like it?!?!". Then.... not listening to the response, or changing anything, just uploading the next bullshit clip you save in 3dmm. People used to have to be convinced to spend the time to even watch movies based on other's reactions and reviews. The 3dmm release forum is now just a giant, worldwide collaborative ms kids save folder. I think a GREAT way to get some quality control would be to make a sort of '3dmm release PLATINUM' forum, run by Plopilpy. Only releases that meet a bare minimum quality get posted there. It would instantly set a bar to strive for. Kids who've just gotten the program could see what is needed to put something out that people will actually watch. It could easily have a sticky post of 'Classics' too, so the old bar of quality wouldn't be lost. I really could go on, but this post is already probably way too long for many of you to get through.
Brossy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,376

05-03-2021, 01:35 PM	#2
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293	i think Old Rivers would be a better person to select the quality stuff, he is more active as an animator and isn’t 12
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293

05-03-2021, 02:09 PM	#3
Plopilpy Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 3,105	I am flattered, Brossy. EDIT: C'mon, Nickson. I agree that Old Rivers would be a good pick as well but I've been playing around with 3DMM again recently, I was streaming some animation stuff in a voice call with a friend yesterday. Also I'm 14
Plopilpy Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 3,105

05-03-2021, 03:37 PM	#5
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	I back the Plop recommendation, he knows what's garbage and what isn't, and he's active a ton. It'd slow the release of new movies (even more lol), but hopefully it'd set a bar for people to reach.
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096

05-03-2021, 03:38 PM	#6
Brossy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,376	Sure, Old Rivers too. I'm out of the loop, but Plop seems like he's seen every 3dmm movie that's ever existed. It's insane. Whoever. Just someone active, who watches the releases and knows what is actually worth watching.
Brossy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,376

05-03-2021, 03:20 PM	#4
PizzaLuigi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,144	I like the idea of a 3dmm release PLATINUM forum I think it could motivate noobies by giving them a goal to strive to and make quality movies in the process I do think Old Rivers would be better pick tho.

05-03-2021, 04:49 PM	#8
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293	whats the point in goat adding another moderator just for that though? i feel like moderating jobs are probably very little for French fry and Rivers as it is so it’d make sense to give them something to do with their newly appointed statuses and i still continue to back my own ideals for this site that 2 years isn’t long enough for someone to be given powers nor is 14 old enough, everyone who has been 14 and since aged knows that if they were given site powers on 3dmm.com back at that age it would have ended badly. ploppy holds too many grudges too. we went over this during the original moderating thing.
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293

05-03-2021, 06:25 PM	#10
French Fry Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,962	I remember discussing with Old Rivers on how to incentivize movie making, but Brossy brings up a good point from that conversation. Kids will just throw together the most half-assed piece of shit movie for the sake of completion.

05-03-2021, 06:39 PM	#11
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293	i dont think there are any kids these days that would have the attention span to create the sorta movies people were making back then, theres too many other devices and applications now, making a 3dmm movie is more of a test / public display of will and patience than it is a creative expression like it used to be.
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293

05-03-2021, 06:57 PM	#12
French Fry Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,962	I like the idea of curating a "Platinum Releases" section. One sub-forum could have classic films to show new users what to strive towards, and another could have new releases deemed worthy enough for McZee's Platinum Film Badge. Although, we already sorta have something like that in the form of the Movie Showcase. A classics section would be nice to dig up some older movies.

05-03-2021, 07:06 PM	#13
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	I like this ^
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096

05-03-2021, 10:15 PM	#14
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293	yeah all together this idea makes a ton of sense to have a new section, it would help ppl like ploppy too who are kind enough to archive old stuff
Nixon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,293

05-04-2021, 01:38 AM	#15
Dustin Guest Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,420	I feel like directors back when this all started had SOME interest in an aspect of film. Whether they wanted to be legit directors or create comedy or something like that. I feel like this new generation just doesn’t share that passion at all. It’s all about making as little effort as possible and expecting some sort of accolades. Plus there’s the aspect that a lot of our newer users are just not that creative. So much of their movies just throw random characters from old cartoons and video games into random situations. The problem is, there’s no attempt to entertain anyone but themselves and they either can’t or won’t respond at all to criticism. That kind of kills any forward momentum. I’m gonna be an arrogant dick and say the stuff I’ve worked on is light years beyond the norm nowadays, and I STILL worry about how it’s going to be received. Hell, I expected like...maybe a couple people to like 10-34. That’s largely due to the standard we all held each other to back in the day. Everybody held you to a standard so, if you wanted to last, you had to hold YOURSELF to a standard. I don’t think that exists now.

05-04-2021, 01:54 AM	#18
Dustin Guest Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,420	I’ve pretty much been here since the beginning and I’ve had what? Maybe 10 movies in 23 years? Quality, not quantity man. Keep working!

05-04-2021, 01:15 PM	#19
Ben Rice Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,220	I remember when I started making my Mike and Sam movies I decided they were not gonna be released on here as I didn't think anyone here would actually like them, after six episodes though I thought "fuck it" and released them anyway and was surprised that people actually enjoyed them, at the very least for the fun animation. Flash forward to now and I'd argue the series was probably one of the more noteworthy things I released during my time, the final episode remains in my opinion the best 3dmm movie I had ever made. The one time I chose to ignore the readings on my "internet quality" meter and release the series anyway may have been one of the best things I did.
Ben Rice Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,220

06-26-2021, 09:20 AM	#21
PizzaLuigi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,144	Y’know I think we should bring this discussion back a platinum releases thread would really be good there are pretty good movies being made but it’s all just covered up by garbage being spewed out maybe we don’t even need a platinum releases thread just some quality control on the main thread I mean just look at this it’s just horrible

06-30-2021, 06:45 AM	#22
Allergic 2 Life Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,459	The passion we all had back in the day eh?!?! Edit: Or I should say the amount of time we spent creating. Good times!