What lengths would you go to help a stranger? - Page 2

Dungeon Snake · 03-16-2021, 04:11 AM

Also, for the record, I"m not saying EVERY SINGLE white collar private sector person is a useless castrated parasite. Just that it certainly seems to attract & reward those who act this way, in fact it seems they are vital to its function

Bravoie · 03-16-2021, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dungeon Snake

This is what I don't understand: Why are most people satisfied by making somebody else rich? Or by doing an unrewarding public sector job, and doing it crappily?

Growing up in a working class community, I can say it's because many people just want a job that pays the bills and can support a family. Doing fun stuff on the weekends, having enough saved up for an emergency, not being worried about the mortgage, etc. That is good enough for a lot of people, especially if the previous generation of their family was dirt poor. When I was a dockworker a lot of my coworkers were happy with the capped pay of $20/hr because it covered all of that stuff I mentioned. Many of them chose to become lifers after capping out at $20/hr. You have to be sort of neurotic (aka autistic) to risk it all and try your own thing, especially if you're already settled down and living in a culture where you're expected to just work hard to put food on the table

Gorosaurus · 03-16-2021, 05:26 PM

This turned into a good thread!

Bravoie nailed it-- a job that covers your needs is all that most people are interested in. Sure, they'd LOVE to receive more than they give, but you either get really lucky and get paid more than your value or you just find your settling spot. This has nothing to do with who the dollar is trickling down from.

I have been lucky enough to be a little bit more discerning- able to wait for the right opportunities that I can maximize my skillset and still feel good about it. I've spent the past decade working in non-profit, though I would hardly count any of it true charity. Most non-profit is just a way of avoiding taxes or shielding business practices that wouldn't survive in a for-profit sector. Still, little things like creating benefits for lower-income folks, even if that is more of a distraction than the goal of the organization, helps me feel better about it all. For the right price, I'd surely jump to for-profit as long as it's not directly evil or anything.

And, to the question posed in the thread, I'm afraid that I don't have enough trailmarks to honestly answer. There doesn't seem to be a clear relationship between 1 and 10 (though your explanation does help make sense of it). It just doesn't quite feel correct. Like, as someone mentioned above, being an organ donor or giving blood should be on the list, but that seems lower than actually giving money (especially without getting credit for doing so).

I would consider the 1 on this list to actually be turning off the water you see pouring out at a gas station bathroom, even if you don't use the sink. It's a little bit out of your way, and contributes to basic good. Giving coffee money would probably end up being a 3 or 4 by that measure.

But, based on the established information, I'd probably end up a 4 in an unsympathetic situation. If it's a cute kid or I didn't have time to think about my consequences, I can definitely see a 10 happening.

I just don't think the parameters are clear enough on this one.

Dungeon Snake · 03-16-2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravoie

Growing up in a working class community, I can say it's because many people just want a job that pays the bills and can support a family. Doing fun stuff on the weekends, having enough saved up for an emergency, not being worried about the mortgage, etc. That is good enough for a lot of people, especially if the previous generation of their family was dirt poor. When I was a dockworker a lot of my coworkers were happy with the capped pay of $20/hr because it covered all of that stuff I mentioned. Many of them chose to become lifers after capping out at $20/hr. You have to be sort of neurotic (aka autistic) to risk it all and try your own thing, especially if you're already settled down and living in a culture where you're expected to just work hard to put food on the table

Haha yeah I make a little over 20/hour right now (not counting hazard & overtime) and i consider that to be pretty good. I live in a small rural working class town and I'm definitely doing much better than a lot of my peers. Of course, I'm also unmarried, no kids, extremely low rent, no mortgage or car payments, i do have medical debt but i don't pay it. So my overhead is extremely low. It's very easy for me to save money.

Could I make more money if I switched to the private sector? Absolutely. I've also been talking with my brother about starting a small company that deals in antique tools and restoration, mostly just because LLC have more rights than people do and we could start writing off a lot of bullshit that we do anyway and get more bang for our buck for shit that we would do either way. But also I enjoy what I do for my day job, it pays my bills, and I feel good about it too. I feel I'm maybe marginally making the world slightly better, plus I don't have to answer to some weak-ass rich piece of shit that I don't respect.

Anyway, your answer is basically what i expected... They just don't think about it

Anthropophagus · 03-18-2021, 04:37 AM

When my brother was a teenager, he was driving home and found some random hitchhiker wandering the desolate back roads here. He wasn't the average vagabond. The dude was dressed in a tuxedo. He explained how he had left a wedding reception and "gotten into an accident". He needed a ride and would pay. My brother picked him up immediately; he would have done it for free. Clearly it was a drunk driver. I rate that a 3-4, mainly for getting him out of a pickle that would have led to police trouble, although it was also in the 1980s when that shit largely went unpunished in a rural area like ours.

Another time, not that long ago, actually, some random guy I didn't know asked me to pick him up chicken tenders because my friend and I were going to Sheetz for late night food. We were at a bonfire and drinking (and they were doing drugs; I wasn't). He needed those chicken tenders. He needed them more than anything in his life, at that moment. I saw the desperation in his face. He probably would have sucked my dick for a taste of those sweet, sweet, crispy things. "Sure; we'll be back soon. Pay me later." "Cool. Thanks so much, man", he said with relief at not having to give a blowie for drunk food. We never came back. I ordered the biggest fucking breakfast burrito ever - loaded to the gills with egg, sausage, bacon, tater tots, pico, hot sauce, etc. "Shit, that guy wanted chicken tenders." "Fuck him", I replied, contented and selfish to my core. My satiated core, packed with gas station burrito. "Fuck him." The words echoed into the cool Fall night as we drove directly home. I heard some time later he had died. Without sustenance, the sustenance I could have provided with a cheap order of chicken, he withered and turned to dust right there at the bon fire, in front of everyone. Rumor is that he cursed my name as his last elements of human flesh faded into ashes and departed this world. Anyway, that's a big 0 on the scale.

Krutiks · 03-18-2021, 12:15 PM

an interesting question and at the same time difficult, probably if I saw a child in the middle of the road, I would rush under the wheels to save him, but these are just thoughts I don’t know how I’ll behave in a real situation

Old Rivers · 03-18-2021, 12:20 PM

I agree with Krutiks.

Anthropophagus · 03-18-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Krutiks

an interesting question and at the same time difficult, probably if I saw a child in the middle of the road, I would rush under the wheels to save him, but these are just thoughts I don’t know how I’ll behave in a real situation

Would you intervene to stop a mentally disabled child from falling over the side of a dam if it meant you would fall in their place?

Kane · 03-18-2021, 01:31 PM

So what you're really asking is, would Krutik sacrfice himself for any of the new 3dmm.com members?

Anthropophagus · 03-18-2021, 02:43 PM

Autism is a developmental disorder. It's different.

Dungeon Snake · 03-18-2021, 04:09 PM

yeah thats the thing is like, would i save the kid if i could? yeah for sure. Would i buy that dumb drunk guy at the bonfire his precious tendies? Not on your fuckin life, unless he was like my best friend or something. the difference is, that dumb drunk guy doesn't actually need those tendies. He's just being a whiny lil bitch who wants his treats. And the fact that he doesnt even have money?? Nahh bitch, go fuck yourself. Should have thought of that sooner. I'll help anybody if they ACTUALLY need it, but I'm not acting like anybody's servant just because they're too lazy and stupid to help themselves get something they want (and don't need)

Dave Miles · 03-18-2021, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthropophagus

Would you intervene to stop a mentally disabled child from falling over the side of a dam if it meant you would fall in their place?

Would you? I’d help if I could but I’m definitely not sacrificing my life because some shitty parents unleashed their disabled kid on a dam

Anthropophagus · 03-18-2021, 09:19 PM

Fuck that. For one, he's retarded and therefore has less to offer to this society than me, so just on that scale the answer is no. Secondly, I don't know him and, as this thread was meant to elicit, I'm not at all willing to sacrifice my life for a stranger. Shit, I don't even know if I would for a friend. To be fair, I'd never expect anyone to sacrifice their life for me either. I could give a kidney or something that somewhat impacts my life but doesn't kill me, but not my whole life. Not for no fuckin retard, pal.

Anthropophagus · 03-18-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dungeon Snake

yeah thats the thing is like, would i save the kid if i could? yeah for sure. Would i buy that dumb drunk guy at the bonfire his precious tendies? Not on your fuckin life, unless he was like my best friend or something. the difference is, that dumb drunk guy doesn't actually need those tendies. He's just being a whiny lil bitch who wants his treats. And the fact that he doesnt even have money?? Nahh bitch, go fuck yourself. Should have thought of that sooner. I'll help anybody if they ACTUALLY need it, but I'm not acting like anybody's servant just because they're too lazy and stupid to help themselves get something they want (and don't need)

Haha, I like that you ignored my obviously weird/embellished telling of that example to skip right to the core issue. If it were a friend, I would have bought him those tendies. But this guy said hi to me once, I think, and knew my friend, maybe, and honestly something about him annoyed me in a way I could never articulate but felt deep down in my bones. I hope he kept looking up to see if I was coming back and the minutes and then hours wore on and he realized he was going to starve like a piece of shit while I gorged myself on food that gave me heartburn and later diarrhea.

Gorosaurus · 03-24-2021, 04:24 PM

Yeah, does that count as a negative score?

Anthropophagus · 03-24-2021, 04:42 PM

This scale bottoms out at 0. I'll make another thread about the lengths one would go to hurt a stranger and it can be rated accordingly over there.

03-18-2021, 12:15 PM	#31
Krutiks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1	an interesting question and at the same time difficult, probably if I saw a child in the middle of the road, I would rush under the wheels to save him, but these are just thoughts I don’t know how I’ll behave in a real situation
Krutiks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 1

03-18-2021, 01:31 PM	#34
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096	So what you're really asking is, would Krutik sacrfice himself for any of the new 3dmm.com members?
Kane Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 1,096

03-16-2021, 04:11 AM	#26
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,519	Also, for the record, I"m not saying EVERY SINGLE white collar private sector person is a useless castrated parasite. Just that it certainly seems to attract & reward those who act this way, in fact it seems they are vital to its function

03-16-2021, 05:26 PM	#28
Gorosaurus Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 16,146	This turned into a good thread! Bravoie nailed it-- a job that covers your needs is all that most people are interested in. Sure, they'd LOVE to receive more than they give, but you either get really lucky and get paid more than your value or you just find your settling spot. This has nothing to do with who the dollar is trickling down from. I have been lucky enough to be a little bit more discerning- able to wait for the right opportunities that I can maximize my skillset and still feel good about it. I've spent the past decade working in non-profit, though I would hardly count any of it true charity. Most non-profit is just a way of avoiding taxes or shielding business practices that wouldn't survive in a for-profit sector. Still, little things like creating benefits for lower-income folks, even if that is more of a distraction than the goal of the organization, helps me feel better about it all. For the right price, I'd surely jump to for-profit as long as it's not directly evil or anything. And, to the question posed in the thread, I'm afraid that I don't have enough trailmarks to honestly answer. There doesn't seem to be a clear relationship between 1 and 10 (though your explanation does help make sense of it). It just doesn't quite feel correct. Like, as someone mentioned above, being an organ donor or giving blood should be on the list, but that seems lower than actually giving money (especially without getting credit for doing so). I would consider the 1 on this list to actually be turning off the water you see pouring out at a gas station bathroom, even if you don't use the sink. It's a little bit out of your way, and contributes to basic good. Giving coffee money would probably end up being a 3 or 4 by that measure. But, based on the established information, I'd probably end up a 4 in an unsympathetic situation. If it's a cute kid or I didn't have time to think about my consequences, I can definitely see a 10 happening. I just don't think the parameters are clear enough on this one.

03-18-2021, 04:37 AM	#30
Anthropophagus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,997	When my brother was a teenager, he was driving home and found some random hitchhiker wandering the desolate back roads here. He wasn't the average vagabond. The dude was dressed in a tuxedo. He explained how he had left a wedding reception and "gotten into an accident". He needed a ride and would pay. My brother picked him up immediately; he would have done it for free. Clearly it was a drunk driver. I rate that a 3-4, mainly for getting him out of a pickle that would have led to police trouble, although it was also in the 1980s when that shit largely went unpunished in a rural area like ours. Another time, not that long ago, actually, some random guy I didn't know asked me to pick him up chicken tenders because my friend and I were going to Sheetz for late night food. We were at a bonfire and drinking (and they were doing drugs; I wasn't). He needed those chicken tenders. He needed them more than anything in his life, at that moment. I saw the desperation in his face. He probably would have sucked my dick for a taste of those sweet, sweet, crispy things. "Sure; we'll be back soon. Pay me later." "Cool. Thanks so much, man", he said with relief at not having to give a blowie for drunk food. We never came back. I ordered the biggest fucking breakfast burrito ever - loaded to the gills with egg, sausage, bacon, tater tots, pico, hot sauce, etc. "Shit, that guy wanted chicken tenders." "Fuck him", I replied, contented and selfish to my core. My satiated core, packed with gas station burrito. "Fuck him." The words echoed into the cool Fall night as we drove directly home. I heard some time later he had died. Without sustenance, the sustenance I could have provided with a cheap order of chicken, he withered and turned to dust right there at the bon fire, in front of everyone. Rumor is that he cursed my name as his last elements of human flesh faded into ashes and departed this world. Anyway, that's a big 0 on the scale.

03-18-2021, 12:20 PM	#32
Old Rivers Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,985	I agree with Krutiks.

03-18-2021, 02:43 PM	#35
Anthropophagus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,997	Autism is a developmental disorder. It's different.

03-18-2021, 04:09 PM	#36
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,519	yeah thats the thing is like, would i save the kid if i could? yeah for sure. Would i buy that dumb drunk guy at the bonfire his precious tendies? Not on your fuckin life, unless he was like my best friend or something. the difference is, that dumb drunk guy doesn't actually need those tendies. He's just being a whiny lil bitch who wants his treats. And the fact that he doesnt even have money?? Nahh bitch, go fuck yourself. Should have thought of that sooner. I'll help anybody if they ACTUALLY need it, but I'm not acting like anybody's servant just because they're too lazy and stupid to help themselves get something they want (and don't need)

03-18-2021, 09:19 PM	#38
Anthropophagus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,997	Fuck that. For one, he's retarded and therefore has less to offer to this society than me, so just on that scale the answer is no. Secondly, I don't know him and, as this thread was meant to elicit, I'm not at all willing to sacrifice my life for a stranger. Shit, I don't even know if I would for a friend. To be fair, I'd never expect anyone to sacrifice their life for me either. I could give a kidney or something that somewhat impacts my life but doesn't kill me, but not my whole life. Not for no fuckin retard, pal.

03-24-2021, 04:24 PM	#40
Gorosaurus Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 16,146	Yeah, does that count as a negative score?

03-24-2021, 04:42 PM	#41
Anthropophagus Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,997	This scale bottoms out at 0. I'll make another thread about the lengths one would go to hurt a stranger and it can be rated accordingly over there.