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Phil Williamson · 08-28-2015, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres

we are getting too bogged down in technical feasibility here.

the point is whether 3d printing is going to represent such a dramatic change that guns will be as accessible as water, and how that would affect gun control laws.

what i am saying is that, as good as 3d printing gets, there will still be many limitations, both in 3d printing itself and in life in general, that will mean that guns will not be incredibly easy to access as opposed to before. it will still be difficult to access and we are not going to be living in some brave new world of murder.

well...I'll bump this in ten years or so I guess. I hope you're right though!

Dungeon Snake · 08-28-2015, 08:12 PM

here's hoping for a brave new world of murder!

#hailodin

Eukos · 08-28-2015, 08:41 PM

Dungeon Snake · 08-28-2015, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eukos

hahahah that's awesome

Izak MD · 08-29-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredrick

it just occurred to me that this is the very first time i've ever heard someone use the phrase "mamma mia!" for real. i've only ever heard it used as a gag in cartoons and stuff

Old Rivers · 08-29-2015, 09:55 PM

aww, we missed 3d movie maker's 20th birthday four days ago.

Scatterbrain · 08-30-2015, 12:05 AM

Oh shit

Bjorny · 08-30-2015, 12:20 AM

lol that's pretty shitty what kind of 3dmm community are we

Dungeon Snake · 08-30-2015, 12:28 AM

psh 3dmm would be a grown man/woman by now, you guys are babying it

Scatterbrain · 08-30-2015, 12:36 AM

stop trying to distract us while you make your move on her, asshole

Dungeon Snake · 08-30-2015, 01:25 AM

Bobby Swisha · 08-30-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Izak MD

also, having worked with a pretty top-of-the-line 3d printer, i can say those things really are pretty far from printing guns and assault rifles. the material they use now is extremely weak. they can do other shit like peanut butter, rice krispie treats, etc. but nothing like metal. such a machine would be extremely expensive.

edit: ok i just saw the video. i can't see that machine being easily available to people for a while. it could definitely happen, but it'll be a while.

I wanna go on a mission with an AR-15 made out of rice krispie and then eat it when I"m done

Dungeon Snake · 08-30-2015, 04:04 PM

i bet you'd probably just use it to oppress a bunch of palestinians though

Eukos · 08-30-2015, 04:18 PM

Izak, you can print metal already with the Ultimaker consumer 3d-printer.

This guy prints tons of stuff with metal fills:

Izak MD · 08-30-2015, 06:12 PM

hmm, that would be a great boon for those of us who have lost Monopoly pewter figurines.

i'm definitely missing an iron and a shoe.

Andres · 07:54 AM

the thing about "3d printing" metal is that the mechanical properties of a material are going to be affected by the manufacturing process by which the material was produced, since the manufacturing process is going to affect the internal composition of the material, the chemical bonds, the fibers, shit like that.

"3d printing" metal pieces that are meant to have the same strength as pieces made using tried-and-true methods, and doing so cheaply enough that people can make them at home, is ... unlikely to happen anytime soon. 3d printing a coin or some thing that is not going to be under mechanical loading is not that big a deal, but 3d printing, say, a hip implant, is something else.

a lot of the cool stuff that is done with 3d printing is still (and will remain) outrageously expensive and time consuming. but it's still done because the alternative (using other manufacturing methods that tend to be more useful for large-scale production) is insanely, obscenely expensive, and thus 3d printing is the better option.

the main advantage of 3d printing is that you can make one piece, because you don't need molds or a complicated industrial process (in theory). making a mold is expensive as hell. molds or machining processes with industrial 'line production' kinda things are pretty awesome and fast, but you need them producing a lot otherwise it's not cost-effective. for prototypes or custom made pieces 3d printing is then the only real option, otherwise it would just be too costly.

this ties a little bit into why 3d printing for consumers is overhyped, because economically speaking, there's plenty of advantages for centralized manufacturing (economies of scale, logistics, productivity) that you would lose by decentralizing manufacturing by having people make their own things at home. the only way those advantages would disappear is if 3d printing is literally magic and you can just make objects out of nothing, using no energy, in two seconds.

i will also add that 3d printing can improve and its likely that there'll be some really interesting results from it, it's just that it's important to understand we're talking about the physical world here. these are chemical and physical processes and so the limiting factor is reality. you start hitting real walls when it comes to things like 'well i want this chemical process to go faster and be better, but with no heat' or 'well i want high quality material for low enough prices that people can 3d print at home'. we are quite used to the rapid advances in the world of computers, but remember that for most technology people think 'oh we're gonna be able to do amazing things' and then it just grinds to a halt because of real physical limitations to what they wanted to do.

one last thing to add is that the point of the technology is for manufacturing certain kinds of things well. it's not for manufacturing 'at home', that's not the goal for most of the research. i bring this up because it's very possible that these technologies become cheaper, more efficient, and more compact, and yet they are still not at all practical for home use, because the temperatures and lasers used might be quite dangerous, or the waste from the process is unsafe to handle, problems like that.

Izak MD · 08-30-2015, 10:49 PM

^^ yeah this is a good post, and it sums up my views pretty much exactly.

Jesterfoot · 08-31-2015, 02:32 AM

I'm pretty into this stuff, here's some cool links:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mit-invents...eously-1517149

https://www.reddit.com/r/functionalprint/top/

Tuna Hematoma · 09-01-2015, 04:18 AM

http://sourcefed.com/girlfriend-urge...text-messages/

Tuna Hematoma · 09-01-2015, 01:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/user/TunaHematoma

This isn't me?

wtf

Tuna Hematoma · 09-01-2015, 01:27 PM

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00F...argainmoose-20

They need to make this in adult sizes.

Tuna Hematoma · 09-01-2015, 06:17 PM

Old Rivers · 09-01-2015, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuna Hematoma

https://www.youtube.com/user/TunaHematoma

This isn't me?

wtf

probably Wwp.

Trooper · 09-01-2015, 08:23 PM

Hahaha I love looking that guy up now an then

Old Rivers · 09-01-2015, 08:26 PM

he also seems to be modelling his characters after ben rice.

08-28-2015, 08:41 PM	#37103
Eukos Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,133
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08-30-2015, 12:20 AM	#37108
Bjorny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7,217	lol that's pretty shitty what kind of 3dmm community are we
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08-30-2015, 04:18 PM	#37114
Eukos Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,133	Izak, you can print metal already with the Ultimaker consumer 3d-printer. This guy prints tons of stuff with metal fills:
Eukos Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,133

08-30-2015, 06:12 PM	#37115
Izak MD Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 8,877	hmm, that would be a great boon for those of us who have lost Monopoly pewter figurines. i'm definitely missing an iron and a shoe.
Izak MD Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 8,877

08-30-2015, 07:56 PM	#37116
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	the thing about "3d printing" metal is that the mechanical properties of a material are going to be affected by the manufacturing process by which the material was produced, since the manufacturing process is going to affect the internal composition of the material, the chemical bonds, the fibers, shit like that. "3d printing" metal pieces that are meant to have the same strength as pieces made using tried-and-true methods, and doing so cheaply enough that people can make them at home, is ... unlikely to happen anytime soon. 3d printing a coin or some thing that is not going to be under mechanical loading is not that big a deal, but 3d printing, say, a hip implant, is something else. a lot of the cool stuff that is done with 3d printing is still (and will remain) outrageously expensive and time consuming. but it's still done because the alternative (using other manufacturing methods that tend to be more useful for large-scale production) is insanely, obscenely expensive, and thus 3d printing is the better option. the main advantage of 3d printing is that you can make one piece, because you don't need molds or a complicated industrial process (in theory). making a mold is expensive as hell. molds or machining processes with industrial 'line production' kinda things are pretty awesome and fast, but you need them producing a lot otherwise it's not cost-effective. for prototypes or custom made pieces 3d printing is then the only real option, otherwise it would just be too costly. this ties a little bit into why 3d printing for consumers is overhyped, because economically speaking, there's plenty of advantages for centralized manufacturing (economies of scale, logistics, productivity) that you would lose by decentralizing manufacturing by having people make their own things at home. the only way those advantages would disappear is if 3d printing is literally magic and you can just make objects out of nothing, using no energy, in two seconds. i will also add that 3d printing can improve and its likely that there'll be some really interesting results from it, it's just that it's important to understand we're talking about the physical world here. these are chemical and physical processes and so the limiting factor is reality. you start hitting real walls when it comes to things like 'well i want this chemical process to go faster and be better, but with no heat' or 'well i want high quality material for low enough prices that people can 3d print at home'. we are quite used to the rapid advances in the world of computers, but remember that for most technology people think 'oh we're gonna be able to do amazing things' and then it just grinds to a halt because of real physical limitations to what they wanted to do. one last thing to add is that the point of the technology is for manufacturing certain kinds of things well. it's not for manufacturing 'at home', that's not the goal for most of the research. i bring this up because it's very possible that these technologies become cheaper, more efficient, and more compact, and yet they are still not at all practical for home use, because the temperatures and lasers used might be quite dangerous, or the waste from the process is unsafe to handle, problems like that.
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	Last edited by Andres : 08-31-2015 at 07:54 AM.

08-28-2015, 08:12 PM	#37102
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,539	here's hoping for a brave new world of murder! #hailodin

08-29-2015, 09:55 PM	#37106
Old Rivers Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,998	aww, we missed 3d movie maker's 20th birthday four days ago.

08-30-2015, 12:05 AM	#37107
Scatterbrain Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 8,564	Oh shit

08-30-2015, 12:28 AM	#37109
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,539	psh 3dmm would be a grown man/woman by now, you guys are babying it

08-30-2015, 12:36 AM	#37110
Scatterbrain Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 8,564	stop trying to distract us while you make your move on her, asshole

08-30-2015, 01:25 AM	#37111
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,539

08-30-2015, 04:04 PM	#37113
Dungeon Snake Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,539	i bet you'd probably just use it to oppress a bunch of palestinians though

08-30-2015, 10:49 PM	#37117
Izak MD Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 8,877	^^ yeah this is a good post, and it sums up my views pretty much exactly.
Izak MD Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 8,877

08-31-2015, 02:32 AM	#37118
Jesterfoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,470	I'm pretty into this stuff, here's some cool links: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mit-invents...eously-1517149 https://www.reddit.com/r/functionalprint/top/

09-01-2015, 04:18 AM	#37119
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	http://sourcefed.com/girlfriend-urge...text-messages/

09-01-2015, 01:04 PM	#37120
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	https://www.youtube.com/user/TunaHematoma This isn't me? wtf

09-01-2015, 01:27 PM	#37121
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00F...argainmoose-20 They need to make this in adult sizes.

09-01-2015, 06:17 PM	#37122
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055

09-01-2015, 08:23 PM	#37124
Trooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,442	Hahaha I love looking that guy up now an then
Trooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,442

09-01-2015, 08:26 PM	#37125
Old Rivers Super Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,998	he also seems to be modelling his characters after ben rice.