Proposition 8 supposedly passed

Warren Wagner · 11-05-2008, 07:13 AM

So there is something that I haven't really talked about much on this board. It is probably because the last year or two I have even posted that much, I've been busy and even if I haven't been posting, I've been keeping up to date. I still really enjoy reading this forum.

As the title states, Proposition 8 to ban gay marriage seems to have passed in California today. I cannot tell you how disappointed I am. Although I cannot tell you how happy I am about Obama winning.

On June 16th, 2008 same-sex marriage was made legal in California. Which was also a very special day for me, I (living in Canada) got married as well. It was completely a coincidence that my husband and I ended up getting married on that day, we had been planning on doing it for months, whenever we got the spare money together...and that was the day. So I went to City Hall and along with some close friends, we got married. (I posted a few pictures in a thread a few months ago, but I think most people viewed it as a joke or something.)

It seems by the projections right now that Proposition 8 was passed. I am so saddened by this. There are many reason because of this. For one, I think that denying a group of people a civil right they so want and deserve is cruel enough, but when you continue to give them this right, then take it away is downright cruel.

After I my excitement about Obama winning had calmed down a bit, I began looking to see if Prop 8 had passed or not. Again...it's not a sure thing...but seems like it was passed. My first thought after reading about this was "what's going to happen to all the people who got married during this time?"

It seems that it's not set in stone yet what happens. Since it was basically worded as saying "Marriage is between a man and a woman" it would seem they want to get rid of those marriages that have already taken place. I think that is completely offensive if that happens. I am not sure if that's what will happen, I believe the courts will decide that after they know the results.

I can't even explain how after getting married, then having it taken away how I'd feel. It wouldn't be good as you can assume.

Obama is all for civil unions that are completely the same as marriages, but that brings up "Separate but Equal" which I don't like very much either. Ellen said that's like saying "You can sit over here...but not over there" and I don't like the fact that someone could say that.

So yeah...I dunno it's really early in the morning and I'm tired, but I just wanted to rant a little about this.

Aaron Haynes · 11-05-2008, 07:22 AM

Agreed, it's one of the things about Obama that I really dislike. I don't think it's political expediency either -- he genuinely doesn't believe the US should have gay marriage.

But he did denounce Prop 8 as setting a bad precedent for the US. No matter how you feel about gay marriage, it takes some balls to vote for a proposition that will literally annul the marriages of thousands. It takes rights away from American citizens. You're voting to do that if you vote for Prop 8.

Rabid Dinosaur · 11-05-2008, 07:22 AM

Yeah, this fucking sucks

...

Jesterfoot · 11-05-2008, 07:26 AM

Yeah, that sucks man. I voted no. There were so many anti 8 ads I'm actually really suprised California passed it.

Mabdog · 11-05-2008, 07:26 AM

probably will. which is lame.

Phil Williamson · 11-05-2008, 07:27 AM

haha I didn't know you were gay

anyway I wouldn't worry about it just yet. It's only down 52-48 with only 62% of precincts reporting, with some liberal areas like Los Angeles County not yet having returned nearly all their results. CNN at least hasn't called it, and I certainly wouldn't say it's a sure thing. If it does pass though, well, yeah, a darn shame.

Warren Wagner · 11-05-2008, 07:31 AM

Yeah I think I read somewhere that it is somewhere around 11,000 same-sex couples.

I saw Obama talk about it and he said he is very sympathetic since not that long ago his mother and father wouldn't have been allowed to get married...But I still wish he viewed things differently.

I don't think it would be right for religions against gay marriage to be forced to marry same-sex couples...but I went to city hall.

I think this also pisses me off so much since I was married the same day as a bunch of these people, so I could've very well been one of the people who are now facing their marriages to be annuled.

Beast · 11-05-2008, 07:32 AM

hahahah that wasn't a joke? It looked like some kids from a acting class or something. I had no idea that was serious.

Breed · 11-05-2008, 07:33 AM

the idea that so many people want it to pass breaks my heart

we can elect a black man but we can't let gays get married, WHAT THE HELL, AMERICA

Breed · 11-05-2008, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Wagner

So there is something that I haven't really talked about much on this board. It is probably because the last year or two I have even posted that much, I've been busy and even if I haven't been posting, I've been keeping up to date. I still really enjoy reading this forum.

As the title states, Proposition 8 to ban gay marriage seems to have passed in California today. I cannot tell you how disappointed I am. Although I cannot tell you how happy I am about Obama winning.

On June 16th, 2008 same-sex marriage was made legal in California. Which was also a very special day for me, I (living in Canada) got married as well. It was completely a coincidence that my husband and I ended up getting married on that day, we had been planning on doing it for months, whenever we got the spare money together...and that was the day. So I went to City Hall and along with some close friends, we got married. (I posted a few pictures in a thread a few months ago, but I think most people viewed it as a joke or something.)

It seems by the projections right now that Proposition 8 was passed. I am so saddened by this. There are many reason because of this. For one, I think that denying a group of people a civil right they so want and deserve is cruel enough, but when you continue to give them this right, then take it away is downright cruel.

After I my excitement about Obama winning had calmed down a bit, I began looking to see if Prop 8 had passed or not. Again...it's not a sure thing...but seems like it was passed. My first thought after reading about this was "what's going to happen to all the people who got married during this time?"

It seems that it's not set in stone yet what happens. Since it was basically worded as saying "Marriage is between a man and a woman" it would seem they want to get rid of those marriages that have already taken place. I think that is completely offensive if that happens. I am not sure if that's what will happen, I believe the courts will decide that after they know the results.

I can't even explain how after getting married, then having it taken away how I'd feel. It wouldn't be good as you can assume.

Obama is all for civil unions that are completely the same as marriages, but that brings up "Separate but Equal" which I don't like very much either. Ellen said that's like saying "You can sit over here...but not over there" and I don't like the fact that someone could say that.

So yeah...I dunno it's really early in the morning and I'm tired, but I just wanted to rant a little about this.

fag.

Warren Wagner · 11-05-2008, 07:34 AM

Yeah it was a really fun day.

Jeff Ching, Qaz, and Bernatrick were even there. A 3dmmer gay wedding.

The Chinese Jew · 11-05-2008, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Wagner

Yeah it was a really fun day.

Jeff Ching, Qaz, and Bernatrick were even there. A 3dmmer gay wedding.

That is true. Then we went to a gay bar after called Zeldas, and I had a drink called a "bitch slap".

Jesterfoot · 11-05-2008, 07:38 AM

Wasn't your first avatar a pair of bouncing breasts or something (maybe I'm thinking of someone else)

Warren Wagner · 11-05-2008, 07:41 AM

haha I'm still attracted to women as well. I just like men more and I find I connect much better. But yeah I look at it as marrying a man makes me gay since I'm not going to be sleeping with anymore women. I've never been happier then where I am right now in my life.

Beast · 11-05-2008, 07:50 AM

So when you look at porn, what kind is it?

Warren Wagner · 11-05-2008, 07:53 AM

haha when I told Jeff Ching I was bisexual...that is the first thing he asked me.

I honestly don't look at porn THAT much anymore...but if I do, I think its more so gay now...

Anyway...how 'bout that Prop 8?

Jesterfoot · 11-05-2008, 07:56 AM

it's now 53.1% to 46.9%

there's still 40% left to count

Adam Clough · 11-05-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Wagner

I can't even explain how after getting married, then having it taken away how I'd feel. It wouldn't be good as you can assume

I don't assume. Why woudln't it be good?
What would you be loosing if it happened?

Phil Williamson · 11-05-2008, 09:17 AM

...seriously?

Adam Clough · 11-05-2008, 09:30 AM

Serious. The way Warren's phrased it sounds like he's going to loose his feelings. So I"m asking what's the difference between married and not married? What do you loose?

Deano · 11-05-2008, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Clough

Serious. The way Warren's phrased it sounds like he's going to loose his feelings. So I"m asking what's the difference between married and not married? What do you loose?

Exact same thing as what I'd lose if my marriage to my wife was denied.

On another note, wow, this site has representation from all walks of life. We can now add A same sex husband to the list.

Kale Monster · 11-05-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Clough

Serious. The way Warren's phrased it sounds like he's going to loose his feelings. So I"m asking what's the difference between married and not married? What do you loose?

i know! equality totally isnt that big of a deal!

Adam Clough · 11-05-2008, 10:33 AM

If I was in Warren's position, having not long married someone and then having it 'legally' annulled, my attitudie would be:
"I've already married you, I still love you, and so long as you're wearing that ring I'm still going to refer to you as my wife/husband."

What changes?

Crazy Ivan · 11-05-2008, 09:59 AM

Yeah, this was the only bad note of the night. Sorry Warren. California let you down.

Crazy Ivan · 11-05-2008, 10:39 AM

Hey there, tax paying citizen. You are less equal than other tax-paying citizens, so for purely moral / religious reasons we're going to classify your legal union as less than other, heterosexual legal unions.

You don't understand how that could affect you? It's not that the love he feels for his partner will change, it's just a blow to be considered less-than by society and the supposedly non faith based legal system.

11-05-2008, 07:13 AM	#1
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	Proposition 8 supposedly passed So there is something that I haven't really talked about much on this board. It is probably because the last year or two I have even posted that much, I've been busy and even if I haven't been posting, I've been keeping up to date. I still really enjoy reading this forum. As the title states, Proposition 8 to ban gay marriage seems to have passed in California today. I cannot tell you how disappointed I am. Although I cannot tell you how happy I am about Obama winning. On June 16th, 2008 same-sex marriage was made legal in California. Which was also a very special day for me, I (living in Canada) got married as well. It was completely a coincidence that my husband and I ended up getting married on that day, we had been planning on doing it for months, whenever we got the spare money together...and that was the day. So I went to City Hall and along with some close friends, we got married. (I posted a few pictures in a thread a few months ago, but I think most people viewed it as a joke or something.) It seems by the projections right now that Proposition 8 was passed. I am so saddened by this. There are many reason because of this. For one, I think that denying a group of people a civil right they so want and deserve is cruel enough, but when you continue to give them this right, then take it away is downright cruel. After I my excitement about Obama winning had calmed down a bit, I began looking to see if Prop 8 had passed or not. Again...it's not a sure thing...but seems like it was passed. My first thought after reading about this was "what's going to happen to all the people who got married during this time?" It seems that it's not set in stone yet what happens. Since it was basically worded as saying "Marriage is between a man and a woman" it would seem they want to get rid of those marriages that have already taken place. I think that is completely offensive if that happens. I am not sure if that's what will happen, I believe the courts will decide that after they know the results. I can't even explain how after getting married, then having it taken away how I'd feel. It wouldn't be good as you can assume. Obama is all for civil unions that are completely the same as marriages, but that brings up "Separate but Equal" which I don't like very much either. Ellen said that's like saying "You can sit over here...but not over there" and I don't like the fact that someone could say that. So yeah...I dunno it's really early in the morning and I'm tired, but I just wanted to rant a little about this.

11-05-2008, 07:26 AM	#5
Mabdog Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,670	probably will. which is lame.
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11-05-2008, 07:32 AM	#8
Beast Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,998	hahahah that wasn't a joke? It looked like some kids from a acting class or something. I had no idea that was serious.
Beast Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,998

11-05-2008, 07:33 AM	#9
Breed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,768	the idea that so many people want it to pass breaks my heart we can elect a black man but we can't let gays get married, WHAT THE HELL, AMERICA
Breed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,768

11-05-2008, 07:50 AM	#15
Beast Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,998	So when you look at porn, what kind is it?
Beast Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,998

11-05-2008, 07:22 AM	#2
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	Agreed, it's one of the things about Obama that I really dislike. I don't think it's political expediency either -- he genuinely doesn't believe the US should have gay marriage. But he did denounce Prop 8 as setting a bad precedent for the US. No matter how you feel about gay marriage, it takes some balls to vote for a proposition that will literally annul the marriages of thousands. It takes rights away from American citizens. You're voting to do that if you vote for Prop 8.

11-05-2008, 07:22 AM	#3
Rabid Dinosaur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 14,894	Yeah, this fucking sucks ...

11-05-2008, 07:26 AM	#4
Jesterfoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,470	Yeah, that sucks man. I voted no. There were so many anti 8 ads I'm actually really suprised California passed it.

11-05-2008, 07:27 AM	#6
Phil Williamson Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 16,900	haha I didn't know you were gay anyway I wouldn't worry about it just yet. It's only down 52-48 with only 62% of precincts reporting, with some liberal areas like Los Angeles County not yet having returned nearly all their results. CNN at least hasn't called it, and I certainly wouldn't say it's a sure thing. If it does pass though, well, yeah, a darn shame.

11-05-2008, 07:31 AM	#7
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	Yeah I think I read somewhere that it is somewhere around 11,000 same-sex couples. I saw Obama talk about it and he said he is very sympathetic since not that long ago his mother and father wouldn't have been allowed to get married...But I still wish he viewed things differently. I don't think it would be right for religions against gay marriage to be forced to marry same-sex couples...but I went to city hall. I think this also pisses me off so much since I was married the same day as a bunch of these people, so I could've very well been one of the people who are now facing their marriages to be annuled.

11-05-2008, 07:34 AM	#11
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	Yeah it was a really fun day. Jeff Ching, Qaz, and Bernatrick were even there. A 3dmmer gay wedding.

11-05-2008, 07:38 AM	#13
Jesterfoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,470	Wasn't your first avatar a pair of bouncing breasts or something (maybe I'm thinking of someone else)

11-05-2008, 07:41 AM	#14
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	haha I'm still attracted to women as well. I just like men more and I find I connect much better. But yeah I look at it as marrying a man makes me gay since I'm not going to be sleeping with anymore women. I've never been happier then where I am right now in my life.

11-05-2008, 07:53 AM	#16
Warren Wagner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,747	haha when I told Jeff Ching I was bisexual...that is the first thing he asked me. I honestly don't look at porn THAT much anymore...but if I do, I think its more so gay now... Anyway...how 'bout that Prop 8?

11-05-2008, 07:56 AM	#17
Jesterfoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,470	it's now 53.1% to 46.9% there's still 40% left to count

11-05-2008, 09:17 AM	#19
Phil Williamson Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 16,900	...seriously?

11-05-2008, 09:30 AM	#20
Adam Clough Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,975	Serious. The way Warren's phrased it sounds like he's going to loose his feelings. So I"m asking what's the difference between married and not married? What do you loose?

11-05-2008, 10:33 AM	#23
Adam Clough Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,975	If I was in Warren's position, having not long married someone and then having it 'legally' annulled, my attitudie would be: "I've already married you, I still love you, and so long as you're wearing that ring I'm still going to refer to you as my wife/husband." What changes?

11-05-2008, 09:59 AM	#24
Crazy Ivan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 9,462	Yeah, this was the only bad note of the night. Sorry Warren. California let you down.

11-05-2008, 10:39 AM	#25
Crazy Ivan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 9,462	Hey there, tax paying citizen. You are less equal than other tax-paying citizens, so for purely moral / religious reasons we're going to classify your legal union as less than other, heterosexual legal unions. You don't understand how that could affect you? It's not that the love he feels for his partner will change, it's just a blow to be considered less-than by society and the supposedly non faith based legal system.